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Love him or hate him... Kobe is easily top 5 GOAT... he and Jordan essentially interchangeable to me now as 1 and 2... welcome to the 30K Mamba!
How can you put Kyrie and Nash as a definite top tier guards and Parker as a borderline after the all-star performance of last year. I mean Kyrie is not bad or something like that but I would choose for Parker over him anytime for this season and the last Kyrie is still to young.
Because the Spurs aren't built around or built in a way where once u lose that superstar PG ur in trouble... Nash, look at the Lakers now they need their PG to help fill their holes... Kyrie you can argue, but I see him as top tier already, he can score, he has vision, and he's the centerpiece in Cleveland... I won't argue with you that Tony Parker is a beast of a player, but he's not elite night in and night out... there are stretches of games(not of a game, but GAMES, as in 3-5 in a row) where he just goes cold and disappears... I'm not saying he's a scrub by any means, he's an all-star, but for me a Top-Tier guard is a game changer that brings it night in and night out... and in the NBA I only see 6 of them... Although, WestBrick is starting to actually resemble a PG now... so we'll see...
But in that sense Spurs don't have a superstar left because the franchise is build on the whole team, in the past couple of years. I think a lot of people are underrating the players of the spurs. If you check out George hill, he will never be the first guard in Spurs but he is doing a decent job in the Pacers. Ok, I have to admit I'm a Spurs fan of what they are doing and how their culture works and maybe have a biased opinion. But I also do see some other guards in the top tier and not being mentioned like Conley. If Parker or Conley went to the Rockets it would be a whole different matter. Harden cannot bring it everynight to perform and he went cold a couple of time but he will be mentioned in the top tier of PG/SG in that matter. I think the perspective of not giving credits to PG in a performing team that rather concentrate on the whole team performance is wrong.
The Spurs have 3 all-stars... but they're no longer superstars, Tim Duncan I can give the nod to because he is a veteran leader akin to Garnett and he's still getting it done... Conley is not a top tier guard, imo he's right under the elites with Jennings, Curry and possibly Wall... The problem with the SG position is there's really only 2 elite guys... Flash and Kobe... then there's Manu, Harden, Iggy and Paul George(whom is probably more of a 3) now... I personally don't think Harden is a superstar either, he's my favorite when naming a 6th man cuz he can do everything so well... he just lacks that something to be a true leader... But I can see why ppl would throw Harden into the mix of top tier SG because there's only really 3 guys that u can say something like that... but the PG position is stacked with talent, you can't just throw them all in the mix and say they're top tier just cuz they all play so well... Seriously I can truly name 5 PG that I would take ahead of Tony Parker, how can you call him top tier when he doesn't even break Top 5?
That is because you listed 6 names in your top tier point guard list see above quote of yourself, in those names you mentioned Nash and Kyrie as top tier and Parker as a borderline top tier. With Rose hurt for almost a whole season now (including the time he missed in the previous season) I will rather have a parker than a Rose/Nash/Kyrie. It is talent stacked but I think if Conley, Parker or even Lawson went to a Point Guard focused kind of team you will see him excel.
Yes, because I would truly take those 6 ahead of Tony Parker... Rose being hurt for almost 2 seasons doesn't discredit the player that he is, it's not like he's always hurt, he just had a bad break... he's not fragile like Bogut or Eric Gordon... Nash makes everyone play better period, I tried to discredit him 2yrs ago when I thought he was getting too old to pull this off, nope he's still doing it and amazes me even more now... Kyrie you can argue for/against since he's still young and growing into his own, but he wasn't thrown into the mix for Team USA for nothing, the kid can ball and his dribbling skills are off the charts... Blake Griffin is fun to watch with all the lobbed dunks, but Kyrie is seriously crazy fun to watch handling the ball and making the Cavs relevant... I mean I get it too, I will give you that Parker has better vision and passes better than Kyrie, but you gotta remember, Parker's been playing with this team for years, he knows what these players can give them, Timmy is one of the most efficient players ever, don't discredit the power of a team being together for a decade... Rondo's apg are so high cuz Pierce and Garnett are so damn efficient and they're so solid as a core... Seriously you keep naming names like Conley and Lawson, whom are great PGs as well... but the problem is there are still players that are BETTER... I'm not saying they're bad PG... it's just there are easily and clearly 5-6 PGs that are better now, PERIOD... you can't just list 10 PGs that you think are great and call them top tier... that's 1/3 of the league you would name top tier pgs...
Ok beside Conley, Lawson. You are already saying he is working with a strong core meaning he has a easy task and that goes the same way with Rondo. But for now you will still pick Nash, Kyrie or Rose ahead of Parker because he knows what his team can do because they are together over a decade I mean finding the players to win is the task for every PG. Of course how longer you play with a team mate is easier to find them. But after each year the improvement that you can made will diminish. But I think you are discrediting PG that are not the first option in Parkers case he choose for the team than himself. BTW I think Hadouken is making a case for Lin again Harden out and Lin is playing really good. Got to give it to him that he does need the space to excell.
Rondo is more important to the Celtics than Parker is to the Spurs, Rondo plays hard every night, he fights and if it wasn't for KG's presence, he would be the leader of that team... Rondo also goes nuts and grabs boards and plays killer D... Anyways, I don't discredit Parker... I've been trying to say this the last 3 posts... I'm NOT discrediting him... there's reason why I feel he's borderline top tier... I just feel the 6 other names I put up have something MORE to contribute to their teams, than Parker currently has... and it's unfortunate that there's so many talented PGs in the league... Honestly tired of the Lin argument with Ang... Doesn't matter if he excels when Harden isn't on the floor... the problem is he needs to excel WITH Harden on the floor... it's just another strike against him when Westbrick can play well with Harden AND Durant on the floor, y can't Lin play well with Harden AND Parsons...
JLin + Harden on the floor = Lin = Steven Novak .... He doesnt even bring the ball up the court 1/3 of the time its pathetic to watch as he sits in the corner taking 3 pointers or an akward jump shot with 2 seconds left or the end of the night with only 5 shot attempts or something... There are 6-7 players touching the ball more then him because the coaches don't want him to.. I hope they realize TD is not better then Lin and the ball's gotta be in his hands to set up plays rather then Harden/Parsons bringing it up while he waits in the corner to take a bad percentage shot with time running out...
McHale is doing the coaching again so it might change the situation they were in a month ago. Maybe Lin will get more touches. And Aoes, Parker is less important because the overall team is arguably the best at their rolls that they received from Pop. But do still think if Parker was to replace Kyrie he will do better only if it is his experience. But I will stop being such a Fan-Boy.... and let this argument slide. Let's check out if Lakers if they can make the play-off or not...
oh hell no, if Kyrie was plugged into Pop's system I'd expect him to at best do as well as Parker if not a little worse... but that's because the system's been established and adjusts around the core 3 players... but if you were to ask me to choose a player and build a team around him, I'd take Kyrie over Parker w/ age not in the equation... Lakers will probably be ok, Pau needs to find his role though...
I do not think Lakers can co-op with the system till late in the season and even than they lack chemistry to win it all. Wait till next season or the season after that to become more dangerous but for now I think they will end up as the number 7 seed and lose in the first round either to MEM SAS or OKC.
man they really need to trade Lin.. he gets benched when they are in a good shooting rhythm and never comes back in the 4th.. Take him out when he and the team starts doing well and replaces with TD. Whats amazing is they actually let TD run the offense but when Lin has the ball they make him pass it right away and he's stuck in the corner shootin 3's... If the coaches aren't going to use the guy like run pick and roll plays like they are supposed to they might as just trade him rather then bench him in the 4th and have him being a spot up 3 point shooter. Epic fail coaching
