"Dear apollon, This is your boss speaking, not your daily life boss; I am the ruler of Heaven. I have no idea what you were talking about but I'm glad to hear you have felt the presence of that voice in your head as coming from the Christian God and not some others." Anyway, how do you know it was His presence and not the presence of Buddhists' Greater Overself or Allah?
Well, assume I am the devil's advocate here (if you haven't already done so). Factual, rational validation please? An accusation which is insulting does not necessary means unfound, I am sure those medieval people found the thought of Earth NOT being the center of the universe QUITE insulting (as they think mankind is oh-so-awesome, how can the world, universe and everything NOT revolve around mankind) Look what we read now. We read their indignity as a perfect example of being ignorant and close-minded. Okay, so things printed in the time does indeed show a more likelihood of being accurate. But then again, my skepticism remains: How can one be sure it's not just an anthology of folklores? With a consistent protagonist?
Unluckyness? Not sure if that's a word, but you can use misfortune instead? I have the same sentiment too... Christians appoint everything to divine intervention: Not getting promoted: Test from God Being hated: Test from God/ temptation of Devil Get sick: Test from God Getting promoted: Reward from God Nothing is quite their own doing... -mellow
Now, THAT is really a disturbing thought.... -lol -rotfl @ Tax. Sounds like a joke... Funny, but in fact, a really good point.
You are so certain of that? Oh yes, of course, because there's no such thing as Christ in most other religions, they have their own version of God. But your God is authetic because you think that way? Yes, and deem whoever who DO NOT act accordingly "a false Christian"? Which is the world BEYOND reason and logic? Seeing how replies to validate the religion often end up in a stalemate of "I can feel God's presence" or "because a true Christian knows"... Or shall I feel bad for the hypothetical God for the bad rep he's getting from people who don't comprehend his way fully while lecturing others without substance?
Not to mention the possibilities of INTENTIONAL changes to fit the crowd they try to herd... I don't know... It's just that Jesus pre-redeem my hypothetical sin (if I ever convert to true Christianity) sounds iffy to me...
Because they never bother to learn about other religions? Then assumes that "It must be God's voice I am hearing in my head, his presence I am feeling, because the word 'God' sounded way too omnipresent to ignore! Must be Christian God whose presence I am feeling..." Who knows, I am not one of them (who feel God's presence, to hear God's voice), just posing possibilities here...
well i did read up on her topic about her belief and try to understand it the best i can. and i'm not saying Christ is the only way or your go to hell,altho she knows i believe that for myself with all my heart that Christ is the only way. but i'm not saying it like,CHRIST'S IS THE ONLY WAY!! YOUR GOING TO HELL YOU UNBELIEVERS!!!! well that might not been the way you ment it,but everybody here has took it that way.lol and i can see why i'll quote the places where you said thing if you want? let me know,if not i'm too lazy because they are truely alot of the and if you say they isn't i'll quote them to because thats like saying i'm lier. and we have got into miss understandings but if you show respect to someone it'll all workout in the end. and we haven't been friends that long BTW.lol so if i said what you said the way you said it she hate me for sure:( and when i post here it may look like i'm backing her up,but if i realy was thinking she was wrong i'd sure the hell say it! i'm not her puppet who she grabs and makes me post what she want-nono that's kinda of something like i'm geting out of your post,and it makes me mad. see right there you don't think you just said something realy wrong? you just took a big shit on everybodys religion and believes other than your.-nono you just said in my way of looking at it just went ahead and say i wipe my ass with buddha.-censored and blow my nose with ALLAH,-censored and just like to piss on the rest-censored you should be able to understand that! we may believe that Crist is the only way and he can only give us that. but you should know everybody believes that there way is the way for them. you need to wise up,and try alot harder to show respect to others believes. even if you think there trash at least show ppl there rightful respect. plus i'd like to quote the bible to everyone for once to tell them what they should do. SOMEONE WHO LISTENS TO A FOOL IS A BIGGER FOOL THEN THEM. well i don't believe that at all,it even said in the bible that God said. if you say the Lord put this on me,or that he's doing this to me. he said he will do it to you,make your life even harder. God don't like to be told he's the cuase of all your stuff.lol this is what i believe,and that God likes for us to make our own ways in life. i don't think he likes to get into it,and thats what free will is about. you go thro life and you mess up and you also do good. it's not God or the devil even that mess up your life,it you. and same go's for doing good in your life,if you work hard your do good. i only believe God will help you if you ask him. and then it's not a sure thing.lol
Hi, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings with my posts and wanted to point out some things as a reply to apollon and master g as their comments often come across as one way preachings to me.
Damn right. That basically 'summarizes' how these two's behaviors are generally offensive to the rest of us non-believers. -clapclap I hope they would finally be able to understand, coming from a fella Christian. And you are right, who would even dare to think that you are my 'puppet' in the first place! -shock That would be suggesting I have some kind of inhuman power, no?
oh i wasn't saying you hurt my feelings or nothing.lol i just saying i don't think that way,we Christians get a bad rap:( for what alot of Christians that don't realy understand what there reading.IMO you have the right to look at it that way,because alot of ppl act that way.lol it's sad realy:( be cool
*phew* Thanks! Ofcourse I do know not all Christians are like that, my own best friend is a Catholic and there's never a problem between us because she's open minded too and disagrees to push religion into other people's face.
i don't think that everything is a test from God when things go wrong. i think of it as a chance to draw closer and lean on God when I cannot survive by myself.. -mellow so it's not every Christian you're talking about. just wanted to clarify that..
Uhm, pardon me... but how is that exactly different from viewing it as a "test from God"? Because in my understanding, viewing it as a "test from God" would mean that you understand it is a test, and therefore you take it as a chance to 'draw closer and lean on God when you cannot survive by yourself', ie you remember God when you are given that test from Him. So, enlighten me on the differentiation -^_^
Which equals to a test from God to follow through with Christianity? Oh, the obstacle ridden path towards God!
umm.. i don't know. i just don't see it as a test from God? sorry, i'm not good at explaining/elaborating. wouldn't test from God indicate He's testing me on something and in my case (i suppose as how BR says) He's testing my faithfulness? i think in terms of "a test from God", whatever i'll say can be defined as a "test from God" somehow. but from my perspective, i don't see everything as a test from God. okay, so i'm being bullied by some people. i don't see it as a test. i have two options: just kind of let them bully me or pray to God. which do i choose? the praying to God one. why do i choose it? because i'd rather pray to God (which helps me let off some steam) rather than just do nothing (i wouldn't do anything rash but asking God for help helps me lay out my options and choose the right actions although i'll admit, i don't do the right thing all the time). i don't choose to pray to God because if i do, i'll "pass the test". and sometimes, i don't pray to God and just kind of muck through whatever hardship there is. i still don't see it as a test though? some, i do, such as situations when i'm faced with rude people i try to be nice to them. does that clarify for you?
Well, OK. Let's look at it from YOUR perspective. You said you got bullied by people right? And you have two options, let them bully you or pray to God. See, if a person does NOT think of it as a test from God, that would mean he never thought of God in the first place. But if he thinks of God, it would kinda remind him of that act of being bullied as a test, no? God wanted to see if he would remember Him by giving him that test. If he did not pray to God, then he would have 'failed the test'... From what I look at it, you would associate any misfortune as a test from God, if every misfortune that comes your way reminds you of God, no? Similar to our Buddhism beliefs of looking at our lives as a test and lessons to be learnt on this Earth... all experiences are just a test; to me a test is when you can either choose a good or a bad 'reaction'. And in your case, choosing to pray to God would have been a 'good reaction'. Unless you don't relate to God whenever any misfortune comes your way, then I wouldn't look at it that way then... -shrug Well, I don't get you then. Are you saying there are some hardships when you would go thru without praying to God; and there are some that you do pray to God then?
"But if he thinks of God, it would kinda remind him of that act of being bullied as a test, no?" umm.. no. i don't see it as a test. it just come kind of naturally. like how if i were in trouble (let's just say for this example car trouble), i wouldn't just rely on myself but naturally think of any friends who could help me and maybe i'd call anyone who was around the area who can help me. and for the second part, yes. that's why i'm saying that i don't view everything as a test because i wouldn't be getting a 100% overall then..
Oh okay... I am glad you would have called your friend(s) for help instead of just sitting in your car praying to God hehe. Well, then I understand now, that not all Christians think like that. But just a curious thought, if indeed you managed to get a friend to help you, and everything gets resolved, do you credit God for that?
^hmm. interesting thought. i didn't think of it that way. i suppose i do say "thank you God that she was home." lol. uhh.. but i don't think that she was home because of God. i would just thank God because i just do. it kind of comes natural to me to thank God when something comes along my way/helps me because i got to count every blessing. so in a way, yeah, i credit God. and thanks for understanding. i, too, understand how a lot of Christians (maybe hardcore Christians?) think of everything as a test from God. if a friend is testing you all the time.. that wouldn't be very fun would it? so i don't think God would do that either
