One Family, One Child Policy

Discussion in 'Chinese Chat' started by salcha4u, May 1, 2008.

  1. KaMaN^^v

    KaMaN^^v Member

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    it was neccessary
     
  2. candy10013

    candy10013 Well-Known Member

    it neccessary, china estimite to 13 billion people. but alot still haven't been counted yet. if there no policy, the china population will go crazy
     
  3. Supra

    Supra Well-Known Member

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    2 is enough, what if u need a brother or sister? a world without brothers or sisters would be so lame
     
  4. Yowie

    Yowie Active Member

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    Can couples have another child if it dies (ie. sichuan earthquake)?

    And I think China only has 1.3 billion people, not 13 billion (~2 x population of the earth) ;)
     
  5. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    Most people who are affected by the disaster wouldn't have the time to procreate in a while since they would be so occupied by rebuilding their home and all that. In fact, each time a disaster strikes China there will be a lot of orphans and displaced persons who are not in fact "orphans" but abandoned children.
     
  6. if they didnt enforce it 30 years ago there would be like 250 million more people in china right now? or is it 50? im not sure something like that but if they kept it going for another 50 years china wouldn't have the resources to support the country so yes its a big MUST.
     
  7. uryu

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    i read this somewhere, but by 2050 the world's population is expected to rise by 40% to 9.1 billion.

    nine point one billion....
    9,000,000,000
    that's 9 0s! and a 9 at the front end! >:O that's kinda freaken scary..
     
  8. andrienne

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    i read it in my local newspaper tht some of those in china are blaming the one child policy because some parents lost their kids in this quake and as a result, some might not be able to have kids again because most of them had the fallopian tubes(don't know how to spell it properly)after they got a son in the family.
     
  9. millymai

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    i dn;t fink the one child policy is right, i think they should allow couples to have atleast 2 children. As after the earthquake many families are devasted as they have lost their only child. Also it would be a burden for these younger generation on looking after the elderly in the future!
     
  10. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    ^ The thing is, with or without the quake, there isn't enough food nor resources to go around AS IS, and to assume more "younger generation" would mean the older generation will be "taken care of" is a far-fetched assumption when they can barely support themselves.

    You can say all you want about it being "morally incorrect", but morality can be very fluid when there's mass starvation and diseases and death on the other end of the scale.
     
  11. ralphrepo

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    Its not that simple. In China, a woman marries into the husband's family, meaning that she has to abandon her own parents and care for her husband's parents in their old age. The woman's parents are left to fend for themselves. Most people thus only want to have son's as a way of ensuring a retirement plan. Having two children just doubled your rate of population growth. When you say Two Kids it doesn't sound like a lot. Don't say two kids, instead get used to saying millions. China's birth rate in 2006 was approx 17,300,000 (seventeen million). If we were to double that, it would be thirty four million. While you may suppose that allowing two kids per couple would be fairer than only one, is it realistically workable?

    And many of the responses here: "JUST" go elsewhere or just do this or that, is also unreasonable as it is unrealistic. If it were really possible, EVERYONE in china would have already done it and we wouldn't feel the need to even talk about it here.

    I personally find it to be an unfair draconian hardship on the average Chinese citizen. However, I have to admit that it does work. The bottom line is, because of this one baby policy, there are less babies being born. Also, because of this policy vis a vis Chinese culture, there are less available Chinese women overall (as China only seems have male babies now). Marrying aged women in China is at an all time low. Chinese men have to face up to the fact that one in three of them will never have a chance to marry or make babies (unless they have the financial resources to leave for another country or import a bride). That alone will put a tremendous cap on the population. There are certainly other social worries attendant to that, but from the populations demographic, it has become a definite factor insofar as limiting growth.

    Ralph
     
  12. bbes

    bbes Incredible

    well i do agree in terms of effectiveness but i think its rather immoral for ppl to only have male offspring, i know that if i was to have a child i wouldn't mind whether they were female or male. i thought that ppl have started to have females these days, i guess im wrong.
     
  13. lala_bel_tempo

    lala_bel_tempo Well-Known Member

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    i think it is, china population is over shooting as we all know. In 50-200 years. There going to be a large amount of chinese males rather then females, what does this lead to? declining female population in china, what does that lead to? Chinese males seeking female partner else where? Expect to see a lot of half cast chinese/what ever in the future.
     
  14. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    The problem is happening here and now, we wouldn't have to wait another decade. There are whole villages which shares a same "purchased bride" because there is so little female population. With so many uneducated males, there will be a lot of social unrest and riots, potentially leading to the downfall of China.

    It is easier for females to find jobs in the city. So all the men are left behind in the rural, waiting for some unwitting female to visit the village, or be BOUGHT to the village for the purpose of communal procreation. Hah, the dreadful implication. It's grotesque.

    The problem is that for the most part, Chinese male will not be able to find a mate because they don't have the financial or social mobility to do so. My prediction is that China will become the ultimate homophobia (taken into their laws, probably) because of the severe imbalance of the two genders. And then eventually it will be okay after a century or so because so many male will go without continuing their bloodline.

    It is a guilty pleasure of mine to see China fall hard for their misgivings and stupid superstitions, I hope to live to witness it.
     
  15. ralphrepo

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    Now hold on a minute there, while I have no love for the Chinese government, that's no reason to ever wish ill upon China or the Chinese, as everything the government does ultimately affects the people. What I think the Chinese need to explore is creative ways for ensuring that less people give birth by choice.

    For example, you can't raise the population if you're not there, right?. China should consider unlimited migration. That is, all those that want to emigrate to another country? Let them leave. More importantly, these people will probably send money back home. Its a great way to gain foreign capital while decreasing your population growth. This would especially be good for dealing with the problem of unmarried Chinese men. Get them out of the country and let them bang some foreigner somewhere else. This serves the twofold purpose of spreading out people who are culturally affiliated with you (and are tied to you emotionally) while negating their negative social impact on your society. Even if their kids are only half Chinese, you're still taking over the world culturally.

    And here's one from the far side; let women take male concubines. It would certainly allow for the satisfaction of more men. However, I'm not sure how Chinese society would feel about this one...

    Ralph
     
  16. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    Given the history of China, I know for a fact that the people will persist despite catastrophic change of regime. So a hit is just tough love for a better future. In the grand scheme of things, it is all for the better.

    Migration... It's a luxury most people in China cannot afford, it's not even that China is stopping them, but you know, places have standards when it comes to migration policies. If the person is poor (or NOT rich), uneducated and unlikely to be an asset to the economy, I doubt any country will accept said class as immigrants. So in the end, it's only the rich or very educated, or the like that CAN migrate elsewhere. And you know what? One reason why China wouldn't allow free migration or dual-citizenship is exactly that: they cannot afford to lose precious human and financial resources to other countries as immigrants.

    Not to mention the fact that overpopulation is not a problem exclusive to China... It's a global thing actually. So while one can say "woo hoo, by sending people off elsewhere China isn't having a booming population", we as human have limited habitable space (with infrastructure to support communities) on the face of the Earth... So it's just pushing the problem elsewhere which isn't the attitude to solve ANY problem at all.

    I can't say I can imagine the whole male concubines thing, it's just to far-fetched culturally to be realized.
     
  17. Yowie

    Yowie Active Member

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    I wasn't talking short term, but longer term... and it seems as though the law still applies if the child dies... but they will be making exceptions in this case...
    The Standard article
     
  18. jpeung

    jpeung Active Member

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    i dont think its right...its ur decision whether u only have one child or not
     
  19. SweetCookies74

    SweetCookies74 Well-Known Member

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    I heard that now in China, if your first child is a girl you can ahve another child but if you're first child is a boy than you can't have anymore children.
     
  20. matethemouse

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    Historical: Many western countries had great birthrates before 1800-1900 but now most of them having only between 1-2 children per family. So i guess if we/they wait in China the population will automaticaly decrease over time (when China get richer).
    Modern economic: growth in population is bad (I'll spare everyone for the theories behind this)
    Classical economic: more people is good because the 1+1=3 idea about having more people --> specialization and greater chance for appearance for bright brains.
    My on views: It's the peoples choice how many children they should have and the government shouldn't decide unless the population is treated like a treat to the country on same level as war and virus outbreaks.