This question is an outgrowth from the eMule thread. While many people use various P2P like torrents and emule, there is another system that offers direct downloads called usenet (aka Newsgroups). If you don't know about this, you should find out more, as hundreds of movies and other media, software, etc is posted every month. There are intricacies, like learning about good servers versus bad ones, retention, incompletes and parity files, but its also a great way to get just about anything that is binary. Ralph
Newsgroups have a particular niche of users. The average ripper/downloader wont be familiar with it. There is a learning curve, but once learned, Newsgroups are very effective sources for dls. Knoc
Too lazy to actually go out of my way to find a newsgroup or to call up my isp for, which i'm pretty sure is, a shitty newsgroup... they are great p2p tools... but many times they're luck of the draw like emule/dc... at various stages, I've found my favorite P2P's ranked IRC>Torrent>DDL>FTP>DC>emule/edky>newsgroup...
One of the beauties of newsgroups is that the uploader assumes all the risks. When you're on a P2P in a country like the US, if you want to download MPAA films, there's always a risk that your ip number gets logged (when you upload) by one of several companies that the MPAA/RIAA has hired to record these things. Thereafter they present a subpoena to your ISP who is then forced to give up your name and address to these people. With newsgroups, the poster is the only one that uploaded anything. So he is the only one that the MPAA subpoena can target. Inotherwords, the MPAA cannot force the ISP to divulge who downloaded the file. So, for US and Canadian movies, I will ONLY go with newsgroups. I understand that some people don't like the "luck of the draw" nature of it, but with popular movies, they do seem to hit the groups very quickly and often. That is, if the movie is sought after, there is probably a 100% likelihood that it will be on a newsgroup somewhere. Using a free indexing service, its rather simple to find exactly what you want with a few clicks. And not just for movies, but music, television shows, documentaries, software; anything binary. People that grew up with html ONLY don't realize that there's a whole 'nother world of downloading out there, and usenet is one of the biggest free ways of doing it. I probably get about 200 GBs a month off of usenet on average (I know, I need to get a life... LOL...) Ralph
Well, I have to say, it's not that USENET is not a rich to be discovered, but most are just too lazy to learn a new way of "browsing" the information. HTML (well, I always assumed BBS to be an interfaced USENET, but I know I am totally wrong on that count, just personal perception) is intuitive because we do what we are told to do (or read, etc). And yes, even one minute's learning is a learning curve too steep for some to climb, let alone longer ones.
Torrents have been pretty good to me so I don't really feel the need to use this. Seems interesting though.
Now a days, most News "Readers" navigate usenet just like the web, but the system is closer to getting and posting things to a mail server (which is why M$'s default application for it is outlook, however crippled it may actually be). Years ago, the eBBS's were just about all command line, nothing in terms of binary content and just text. Then somebody found a way to convert binary code into text (I think most likely for passing around dirty pictures) and the rest is history. With these text "envelopes" wrapping the binary code, it was now possible to post just about any kind of binaries, and another great avenue for downloading was born. Today, the wrapping is coded and decoded by the News Reader or uploader, on the fly. The user doesn't even need to know what it is. Notice that most ISP purposely don't go into any detail about this integral service when you sign up. That's because they really DON"T want you to use it. The big downloaders suck up so much bandwidth that the ISPs have to add much more capacity in order to keep up. At any rate, when you sign up with an ISP, you get THREE different services. 1) basic internet connection 2) e Mail Service 3) News Service Notice the last one, "news service" is just like the e Mail service. You enter an address into your news reader progarm (or you can use your email program too but it won't work as well) and it will connect you to your ISP's version of News Server. These used to be the old electronic Bulletin Board Services that people posted messages to each other (like this html forum) except that the msg structure is more like reading a sequential series of emails that quoted the previous senders. The way that usenet is structured, it is possible to ONLY sent text messages. Once it was possible to convert binaries into text and back again, people started to post binaries (like movies, pics, software). And special groups began to dedicate themselves to unique things. For example there are groups devoted to the discussion and trading of pictures on Bonsai. Some groups are purely dedicated to movies, and you can browse the group to see if anyone posted something that fits your interest. If not today, then come back tomorrow. Chances are, there will eventually be something that you want to get. Myself, I ALWAYS find something every day. Sometimes I find SO much stuff that I literally burn about 10-12 DVDs a day just to keep up. I use all of the ways possible to download, Usenet, DDL, torrents, emule, whatever. Been doing so for years. Why else would I pay for internet cable; to read email? Ralph
years ago that i used usenet..i dont even remember what my account was im too lazy to make a new one.. something with alt.binaries........... adding free servers..something..hehe..and you need too have at least 10GB files shared ?! still is? but yeah cant deny it is very effective finding EVERYTHING...also cracked applications..but on the otherhand its also very dangerous to get caught when you DL/UL anything from by example Microsoft.. i dont feel any need atm..maybe later..ive too read into it again..noob now -noclue
I don't know what you're talking about 10 GB file sharing? There is zero (as in nada, none, it aint gonna happen) file sharing on usenet. Someone (anyone) out of the goodness of their heart just posts the file to a public forum and EVERYONE can direct download. There is no "points" or jump through hoops first requirements beforehand. There is no waiting for a time period because you've downloaded too much from Send Space, or MegaUploads. You can set up your download list to get as many GBs as your internet connection can carry; the faster your connection the faster the download. In the time I took to think about and write this message, I just downloaded a 700 MB movie. Insofar as getting "caught" you're much more likely to fall into that problem with torrents or emule, as BOTH programs are P2P. That is the inherent drawback of ALL peer to peer programs; that is, you have to upload while you're downloading. For the uninitiated, be very well aware that both the MPAA and RIAA (bodies that represent the movie and music industry) have companies working for them that do nothing but log onto Bit Torrent networks, and download movies and music all day long. If you ever looked at your torrent downloader and checked out your "peers" to see who or what they are, how much they're uploading and downloading... notice something else? Their IP number. Guess what, they see YOUR's too. If you happen to get connected to one of these industry directed companies, they will record your IP, go to a judge with the evidence that you're uploading copy righted material, and get a subpoena that will force your ISP to tell them who you are. This is how they've been catching people for years now. For this reason, I will NEVER ever download any US based media from torrents or P2P. I do use torrents for Chinese and foreign material, as their net police representation in the US is probably not that extensive. With usenet, the ONLY person at risk is the uploader. Since the industry watchdogs have to have evidence that you're passing around copy righted material in order for them to get a court order (that forces your ISP to give you up), as long as you don't upload, no judge in his right mind would grant them an order. And your ISP certainly isn't going to go to them and tell them about you as it wants your continued business. So moral of this story is, usenet is probably the SAFEST way of downloading. Oh, and as far as M$ programs is concerned, I have just about all their programs from usenet. As a matter of fact, I've installed and used everything from Win95 all the way to XP Pro SP2 (won't touch Vista) from usenet. That's every operating system that I've used in the last 13 years. I also use a variety of their other products (like Office, games like Dungeon Siege). As long as it can be sold on a disc, it will be found on usenet. Furthermore, in terms of getting hard to find material (like silent movies from the 1920's, or obscure television shows from the 1960's. et cetera), there are certain groups dedicated to just such things. Your chances of being able to get esoterica is much better. Usenet, bar none, is the most effective and safest way of getting binaries on the internet, period. For anyone who takes the time to learn it (I must admit, the learning curve is steep), you'll be surprised at how easy it is. Ralph
chill dude like i said its years ago for me..and i dont quite remember anymore. but now looking into usenet..i think ive mistaken it for another prog..i meant GRABIT still not sure bout the 10GB must-share thing..can be another prog too?? too long for me, aight, dont get mad? im just saying what i think..theres this thread for isnt it..no need too get hot-headed -tongue2 and i didnt mean too step on your advise..i was only saying too be careful..cos i (live in europe) know some friends of mine, really did get caught using usenet/newzbin/newsleecher..and did get charged by the RIAA.. but somehow only for the MS apps..and not for the other things..so they did paid some hundred bucks.. so it was a sincere tip..not what you are thinking..geezz..>.< and like i said..i will look into it again..but not now atm..and thanks again for the start of your thread..cos you reminded me of it..okay :biggthumpup: peace man!
LOL... Sorry, Yuyuchau and Jelly; I didn't mean to sound so strident. But I do get wildly excited about usenet. Its odd what was mentioned about M$ products though (and scary). Anyways didn't mean to come off so heavy, if I offended you or anyone else , I do sincerely apologize -worship And BTW, I certainly didn't take your comments as "stepping on my advice" or anything offensive, just usual banter is all. And yes, your caution about the M$ product is good advice. If you have any further info as to how your friends were caught, please do share it here. I for one, would be highly appreciative, and thanks again. Damn... gotta be looking over my shoulder more often... LOL... Ralph
man having had a read, it is rather complicated. but main problem is the server for my isp seems rele slow and I can't get anything off it. so prob won't use for it. its gd for other ppl though.
LOL... The sad fact is, that ISP's the world over has been the driving force in attempting to get rid of news servers for years. They often view this is area of "service" as an archaic throwback of the internet that no one really uses anymore except for pirates and porn perverts, and it drains their resources as well as bandwidth. However, it still remains a much desired feature to those that know and use it. Frankly, if my ISP got rid of it, I would immediately drop my ISP as the bulk of my downloads come from usenet. -shock Getting a good server (the whole system is a distributed server network) to log onto has been the bane of usenet binary downloaders for years. If you're lucky enough to have an ISP that provides a good complete one, then you're very well off. If you're stuck with an ISP that offers "news" in name only, then you may have to search around for other servers to supplement the one that your ISP provides. And yes, I won't sugar coat it, this CAN be a real chore. Thankfully, there are actually some (very rare, but you do find them every once in a while) decent free servers that will host binaries. Failing that, alternatively one may opt to actually pay extra to specialized outside companies that does nothing but hosts news servers. I also know of some people who have talked their friends into allowing them to use their dormant news service account. The good friend allows the usenet user access to his ISP's news server because he himself never uses it, nor plans to. The friend will usually ask for a copy of anything good that the downloader gets (which, if you ask me, isn't a bad price to pay for an extra server). As long as you enter the right address to the server and password, that server will let you download from it. I myself download from a total of four different news servers; one from my ISP, one from an extra Premium (Octanews pay $8 per month), and two free public servers. Despite that standing at the foot of the mountain feeling that a newbie gets when confronting usenet for the first time, my suggestion is, if you're going to try it, don't worry about doing it right the first time, but do take the first step. After a while, you'll be surprised at the things you're learning and the stuff you're starting to get. Before long, a newbie will be a pro teaching others about it. -tongue2 My personal motivation for telling others? Twofold. One is to give back and help others who never heard of usenet get in on this great thing. And second, is to help foster an ever growing usenet community, as a way of preventing ISP's from stopping such services, which I've learned to love. So yeah, a balloon of altruism, with a small bit of selfish sprinkling. LOL... :jb: Anyways, I hope people do learn to use this system of downloading. And if anyone has any questions about any of usenet's intricacies, etc., please ask. If I can answer it, I most certainly will. If I can't answer it, we can research the answer together. Good luck, and happy downloading. -lol Oh, yeah, I too, took a look at the wiki page on usenet, and damn, it even scared me... LOL... Seriously, its not all that bad. Ralph
