why people choose to be homeless? i never understand why people want to be homeless. they would rather beg for money than work for minimum wage. there are also many homeless suffer from diseases and got beaten to death. so why would people still want to be a homeless?
yea man, damn i so wanna be a homeless dude... seriously? you think most of them got a choice to be homeless?!?!? some of them do yes, they are all on the drugs and shit, but in the end its cause the government support is to shit to help some of these people
lol, begging > working lol u practically do nothing while ur begging, lol could go home and and dont have to worry bout getting fired , just sit there in the morning and get $$$ lol , and the govt gives u free shit, like coupons
lol the real reason is because they wanna enter the League of Beggers, so they can learn the Stick Attacks, and Drunken Fist, , but it only happens in China pretty much, lol
In Australia, some wanted become homeless cos of the free food they get from coupon and government allowance without been tax deducted, the money they get while begging, also not tax deducted, apparently some even make more money than people who has a home and do work... But then there are some who is forced to be one...
no... its usually all bout choices... at some point in time, these people made the wrong choice which eventually led them to being poor and eventually homeless... unless u were born homeless, it's really hard to say u didn't have a choice to work or go to school... there are plenty of government or even private welfare programs out there to set people back up and start over... I remember reading about a guy who got a college degree who went homeless on purpose to prove that these welfare programs would work... his goal was to have a fully furnished apartment and $2000 within i think 9months or something like that... he left his cushy home and job with the clothes on his back and $20... he left his degree at home as well... he stayed at a homeless shelter, he went to apply for jobs with government help, borrowed a suit from the shelter, used a PO Box address, etc... eventually he got an apartment with a bed and boxes and lights i think... and had $500 saved up and all of this w/o revealing he had a college degree... he had to stop and eventually to go home due to a family emergency so yes, it's usually about choice...
You sit there in your comfortable home saying it all comes down to choice. There are circumstances for every situation. Let's not forget there are also factors affecting that choice. Being on the streets is quite different when you are actually experiencing it. You think you can make the "right choice" when you are backed into a corner and are experiencing it first hand? Also, let's not just look at homeless in North America, include the term on a world wide scale. Don't give me this rhetoric about a system in place. Its not all about easy access to welfare and the system being there for you. There is a difference between having the system in place and it actually working. This system to help the homeless is also not universal. Keep that in mind. Knoc
why homeless? dude they have no choice... some ppl messed up in life and end up being homeless... maybe their rep is trashed and cant a job and what not
there's a difference between an educated bum (even w/o showing his degree, he must have learned some skills throughout the years) and someone who truly is a bum (obviously some haven't even gone through high school), think about it.
Is this another one of your pointless threads?.... I agree with Knoc, some people have had bad things happen to them ever since they were young-Bad influences by their parents i.e. divorce, drugs. These guys weren't taught how to make the "right"decisions. Other people may had their whole lives crashing down on them due to financial difficultues, such as a divorce.. depression.. It's not easy being employed when your homeless; Society tends to think of homeless people as low lifes and dole bludgers.. It's this attitude that doesn't help the homeless people get out of this poverty cycle and back to living as contributing citizens of society. There are people on the streets who have university degrees, yet can't find employment cause they are homeless-It's not good for their self-esteem as they eventually give up looking for jobs and stay in the poverty cycle.
basically, i agree with many people above; homelessness is not always by choice. besides all the possibilities of winding up homeless listed above, some people may have many years of experience in a very specific field but with a rapidly advancing society, technologically and through many other ways, some fields essential in the past become obliterated and those specialists can no longer find any jobs that would require their knowledge. one thing leads to the next and soon enough an entire family can be without a house and car.
i just think homeless have low self-esteem and confidence. they want to look for easy way out and not worry about a thing. they also dont get much, when they beg. i definitely think if you get a job, you will get more money than begging.!
I think its easy for us to say that, but we'd have no idea what they have been through, or how many times they've applied for jobs and been rejected. But then on the other side of the fence there are guys who fake being homeless and make a lot of money doing it.
there is always a choice... homelessness as the OP has pointed out is different than being in poverty because there is no way out of it... problems such as slums in India, France, NK, and many African nations are due to government oppression... this is forced upon... that is different than being homeless... even then, people find a way to profit... people from India leave for the US, UK, etc... Muslim refugees fled to Europe... there is always a way out... it all depends on how much u want it... and how far ur willing to go for it... as far as actually finding welfare programs across the world... yes, that won't happen, but there are always people willing to help... example, Albanians that leave their homes as refugees... they travel all the way to France, and live in the slums right outside... they usually have no money... what do they do? they find other Albanians in those slums and they'll help them out... hell not just Albanians... even Vietnamese people end up in those slums... having a gun pointed at ur head telling u not to eat is different from trying to get a handout from a random passerby... Yes, I'm lucky I'm not homeless all the while sitting at home comfortably... what's ur point? does it mean u have the better point of view? does it make mine any worse? off the high horse plz... who's fault is it when they messed up in life? and end up being homeless? who's fault is it that got their rep trashed? I'm sure his rep can't be so bad that he can't move to another country and change his life... why do u think Mexicans hop over the US border for? what they're too high and mighty to try hard like the Mexicans? I'm not saying i'm for illegal immigration... I'm just pointing out that if people want it, they can get it... seriously... like the OP said, why not work as a janitor for minimum wage? at the very least that will get u a room to sleep in every month and food... who would hire a bum off the street for a high paying job? who would hire a bum off the street for anything other than minimum wage? would u as an employer hire a bum off the street to be a legal consultant? accountant? manager at McD? he'd get a minimum wage job, probably the best he could do would be bagging groceries at Safeway... and eventually move up the ladder... seriously... don't give me bullshit saying bums can't do things... bums find ways to migrate across the USA... they can go anywhere on their own... even the poorest of poor in the middle east end up as far as the UK... i never said it's easy... but there is always a way... there are always choices... making the wrong ones is ur fault... don't blame it on the economy, don't blame it on lack of education, the Albanian refugees i used earlier as an example, do u think they have a college degree?... unless someone's pointing a gun at ur head, u have NO excuse... otherwise its not called homelessness... its OPPRESSION...
You are not paying attention are you. Yes, there is always a choice. However, we need to keep in mind how they got there and why. The factors and influences that surround choice. It is not just a simple yes or no to make the "right choice" to bring yourself out of being homeless. Being homeless is highly based on that particular individual's situation. You cannot generalize and say that a person can easily make the choice to help themselves without knowing how and why the got there. Sometimes, the choice to bring yourself out of poverty isn't there. You do not know the situation they are in. How do you the know the situation of that person sitting on the street asking you for change? Maybe they had a gun pointed at their head forcing them to beg for cash for someone else. How do you know that homeless person isn't living in poverty? You don't know, so do not assume they are there by choice unless you know what the real issue is. Let's take into consideration all age groups/genders/addicts/mentally disabled on the streets. Sometimes, its the only way out. I may have a firm stance on working hard for my money and not wanting to give it freely away to someone on the streets, but i don't for one second pass judgement on them and say "you have a choice, find a way". Choosing to do something and doing it are two different things. There are too many things to address here. It is not simply just choosing to help yourself and then doing it. I'm not going to pass judgement on someone and make blatant assumptions when i have no idea what their situation is. ( You brought oppression into this and said it is separate, let's keep in that way. It will take another discussion of its own, even though they may overlap) Knoc
what particular situations are u implying? there is one only exception that I can think of right now that I would ever accept and that is if the person is physically not able to... obviously if u have ur limbs cut off it probably isn't possible... or if ur too old to work or too young to work, physical restrictions... sure... other than that I don't see how its impossible to make choices... you point out the how and why people get to being homeless... ok... what situations or circumstances would it be "impossible" to get urself out of aside from the one i just pointed out... how and why someone became homeless is pointless to debate because the person's all ready homeless, the only thing you can change is his status of being homeless or not... simple ex. spilled milk if a person holds a gun to ur head, that's oppression... poverty does not mean homeless... a homeless person is someone who can't afford shelter, plenty of people in India live in true poverty, and even they find shelter... poverty in the US means making less than $20,000 a year... u say u don't pass judgement on the homeless, and yet u've decided all ready that u would not want to give money away freely... why not? if you have so many exceptions for the homeless, why would u not help them? u passed judgement on them the second u decide not to help them... ur choice of debating with me over the internet instead of donating ur $50 a month to ur local shelter meant feeding 20 people for one night... sitting here fighting for homeless and blaming it on society rather than the homeless that don't want to help themselves, well ur part of that society... The judgement u made isn't simply "you have a choice, find a way"... the judgement u made is "i feel sorry for you, but I don't want to help you sorry... blame society for ur troubles because ur not to blame"... your main argument is based soley on situations and exceptions, so i give the floor to you... what kinds of situations or exceptions? you don't want to bring oppression into the discussion, fine, but let me remind you, that being forced to do something against ur will is not homelessness... the stuff bigM and chicken bring up is bull****... Detroit is losing jobs constantly from closing automotive factories... instead of everyone suddenly becoming homeless, they retrained... many became nurses, or they moved somewhere else to find jobs like in Alabama where Toyota and Honda build cars... people that are homeless with college degrees are idiots... they find it too degrading to mop floors for a living so they rather sit on a street corner... that's a choice... After natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina, people from Louisiana that left to other states w/o homes, many stayed and made a life for themselves in Texas, Arizona, California... Some went back to rebuild homes that they lost... seriously there is always a way to start over... especially for the homeless in the US... call me heartless if u want... but i'm not helping people that aren't willing to help themselves... I've been to shelters and helped delivered food to poor families... a homeless man once walked up to my father and i and asks for the food we're delivering... i tell him he can get some at the shelter there was plenty as it was the week of Thanksgiving... i come back down the stairs and find the man sitting there begging for money rather than going to the shelter... like hell i'm helping these people...
but an educated bum is still an educated human being, they know more of where to find the help, they have better sense of where to go. also i knew some people who didn't even fill out their financial aid back in hs b/c they have no clue what to do. its basically free cash but they didn't know what to do in order to get it. yes they can probably only get the worst jobs but someone whose educated knows how to plan. a college student being a bum vs the other bums is like survival of the fittest really. who do you think is better at survival here. also the educated person is most likely going to have an easier time pursuing aid as he would be understood, while other bums will probably not think or the people giving out the aid will judge them differently by their responses. social experiments like the example you gave are really unfair and worthless as the subject really has an advantage. its really just like what college students do to get jobs, to be an intern and gain experience. the average bum is like the college student without discipline in the work field and expecting something to be handed to them. while that experimental bum has experience and knows in order to gain something he would have to seek it out and b/c he has experience, he can do more things in less time. Another example would be putting a scientist and a person who does the dishes in a deserted island with edible/poisonous food, whose gonna have an easier time surviving.
