^ dunno la...if u ask me should punishments be too light or too heavy id go for too heavy in cases like serial killers etc etc btw, i think this will DECREASE the numbers of crimes committed.... now its just a big big mess
Correct. With the current justice system. Criminals know that they will leave the court room, be imprisoned and eventually have the chance to make it back out. A proper justice system would leave the criminals knowing that they'll leave the courts, dead.
^ when modernized system claiming to be more humane and justifiable are just as flawed. imagine another person stab your little son or bro and wonder if you would something similar happen to the other party. i am speaking my mind and how i will feel in real situation where as ya'll just think so unrealistically. i honestly believe people will not behave the way as humane and all that shit if something was to truly happened to them. for example, you may say castrate the bastard who rape the girl is beyond cruel but if that girl is your wife, daugther, mother, or girlfriend, would you feel the same?? justice always failed to punish those who commit the crime these days. jail for rape is probably 3 to 5 years but the emotional and mental scar will be with the victim for the rest of her life. there's not guarantee that the guy will not do it again. being humane to criminal mean being cruel to yourself and the innocense. another example that pissed me off would be white collar crime .. where the top exec ran off with the money or something .. look at enron .. people's livelihood are gone but the execs are free or on light sentences .. what about the victims?? some execs still own hella shit when they should all be bankrupt for the conspiracy and lies. another example .. vincent chen ... the guy was murder by some white dude cuz they have mistaken him as japanese in detroit .. sentence to jail? justice was never served even though the culprit was right under their nose .. if this was in china, all them will be executed in a heart beat ... this lead to the race factor. anyway, if you think this side of the country justice system is fair, then you're wrong, it's racist and just as flawed.
Perfect example: A 16-year-old boy who fatally attacked a postman on Queen’s Day could be tried for murder. 7 November 2008 AMSTERDAM - A 16-year-old is on trial for fatally wounding a 56-year-old postman in Zaamslag, a village in the southern Dutch province of Zeeland. The prosecution is demanding a five-year sentence, but the Public Prosecutor's Office wants the youth to be tried as an adult for murder. The youth was part of a group committing vandalism on the night before Queen's Day in April 2008. When the postman intervened to stop the group, they attacked him. The man died from injuries two days later. The 16-year-old admitted hitting the man on the head with a clawhammer. A 17-year-old, who hit the man but did not kill him, was earlier given a community service order. Result: That 16 year old kid, got sentenced to 2 year youth detention.....wth -shock The reason for this soft punishment was: he is only 16 year old, what would happend to his future if he is going to prison for 18 years. We dont have the right to ruin his life. :nuts:
Forgive me negiqboyz, but I don't support the death sentence; not from a morality standpoint, but from the cost effectiveness standpoint. You may not realize but it normally costs about three times the average life sentence to put a felon to death in the US. That is, for the cost of a death sentence, inclusive of the entire appellate process, you can warehouse three criminals (on average) for life. And Hadouken, I think I'm being obviously less than clear with you too, if you think that I'm of the Eye for Eye mindset; I'm not. I'm an advocate for true rehabilitation of felons, such that when they leave jail after they serve their sentence, they can be productive and useful citizens, with zero or no return to crime, AND maintain a constant lifetime revenue stream towards victim compensation. Again, killing a prisoner, while offering emotional closure to victims and their relatives, does not make the situation socially better. Most studies have shown that capital punishment does very little to deter crime. I'm talking about a complete overhaul of the penal system, not creation of another gulag (never mind my tongue in cheek response to Kontradictions, though the former Soviet Union had some seriously effective penal colony ideas that should be explored further).
^ those kids should be executed .. simply put. 16 and 17 .. they have no future anyway. they will on become scum and leeches of society that create crimes and eat off the governmental welfare. might as well rid of them before they multiply and hurt more innocent people. young is not an excuse as insanity.
you can't really say someone has no future... I think everyone has room to change, most people just think that they've gone too far to turn around. and no matter how you think of it, there's no such thing as justice.
it might seem fair but two wrongs don't make a right .. they say they're punishing the guy for committing the crime, but then they're committing the same crime .. =\
pos + pos = pos neg + neg = pos neg + pos = neg LOL .. @ goeatc .. people change, that's true but can you be 100% sure that they will change for the better. we are talking about kid at such a young age can kill someone without a bit of hesitation or remorse. they're not insane .. if they're acting on rage, do you think these type of behavior will go away?? i can tell you NO. some can end up hurting not other people but his/her family .. where do you think domestic abuse come from??? anyway, they're not dumb so if they know that have anger issue, should seek help. you can commit an irreversible act as killing another person and just said you're sorry and will change, that's it. we are talking about a human life. someone's future is being taken away by these kids .. why should these kids have a future at all when they purposely took someone else away. like i said before, these kids do not deserve a chance because no matter how time change, it's the same for them ..
sure, if you strongly believe they should all be killed off, be my guest. it becomes an endless chain of being killed for killing if we followed your policy. it's easier, yeah, but not the most reasonable solution out there. killing people to demonstrate right from wrong is just injecting fear into the people, creating a society with order, but with greater fear of higher power. sounds familiar, doesn't it ? but yes, I do believe punishment for higher degree of crime should involve more torture and less sitting around
^ all i am saying is that i support capital punishment and i feel that it should be in order regardless of age. yes, it does inject fear upon the people but people need to think before they act .. certain things like a human life is irreversible. if they carried out the act, then prepare to assume the consequences. certain things in life that you've done that sorry just can't cut it.
Ah... Never mind then, I'll just step back and let the plates and dishes continue to fly then... -whistle
The death penalty has been found to increase the likelihood that criminals, while in the process of committing other crimes, also commit murder in an attempt to silence potential witnesses that can then be used against them in a death penalty process. IOW, the death penalty, instead of deterring crime, actually increased the chances that other crimes escalate to the severity of murder. This is a phenomena that criminalogists and social scientists have long recognized with the PRC, which has a standard death penalty for all serious offenses (murder, kidnapping, financial crimes over a certain amount). So, yes, while the death penalty does inject fear into the criminal element, what they do with that fear is not as easily predictable or as socially beneficial as you would claim. -detect
