the asian dude who stabbed and beheaded the 22 years old carnival worker IS NOT responsible for the crime. he shall have no criminal record, be institutionalized, and release upon deemed well by health professionals .. hmmm DO YOU WANT HIM in your community??? Here's the article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090305/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_beheading
well i dont think it really matters. No psychiatrist will be stupid enough to put their name on the line and deem him fit for release. He will mostly likely spend the rest of his life in a mental institution.
Concur; he's going to spend the bulk of his days in a lock up with others of his ilk, the criminally insane. -kekemad
but who is he living on? our tax money .. personally, regardless of whether this guy was killing intentionally or not; the fact that he did and he's CRAZY; might as well give him the needle injection and lay him to rest. he doesn't contribute to society but a burden on the public - safety and money.
Yeah, but his watchers and minders, the court officers and lawyers, judges and news reporters, et cetera, all need their jobs.
^ i don't think so .. might as well say that those garbage collector should thank people for creating garbage so they can have a job.... wtf .. that's the stupidest thing i heard .. anyway, no one know what s/he's born with .. the fact that s/he no longer contribute positively to this society, it's relief to let them go peacefully before more people could get harm ..
Yes, if everyone was clean and didn't make trash, there would be no need for trash collection or the sanitation department. FYI, it is a multi-billion dollar industry. LOL... I had this same argument with a co-worker about people who use food stamps. She was going on about how she has to work hard just to put food on the table while another person she saw in the supermarket, that she recognized from childhood as a ne'er do well living on various forms of public assistance, on the same check out line, paying for the best cuts of meats through government programs. She was looking for me to validate her opinion that these food subsidies should be cut to those that she feels "undeserving" or unworthy. I replied that the food bought with food stamps nonetheless keeps the dairies open, the poultry farms producing hens, and the ranches harvesting heffers. There is a huge chain of regular honest jobs that rely on those food programs being used, regardless of the recipient's overall entitlement. Needless to say, she wasn't very happy with my response. She gave me a weird scowl and walked away. -dead
The alternative is to have him in a prison for the rest of his days, still using our tax money. Canada doesn't have capital punishment lol
^ yeah .. what's wrong with western countries .. i appreciate the due process but when that's over .. just chop their heads off.
Yeah, but that doesn't jive with the direction or intent of your other statement: The actual due process in a death penalty case, inclusive of the appellate process (at least in the US) can cost several times (by some estimates) what a life sentence would cost. It is actually cheaper to keep them alive, well fed, and in jail for life than it is to kill them. Inotherwords, capital punishment (in western countries) may be an even greater financial burden to society. Sources: Death Penalty ProCon.org The High Cost of the Death Penalty Republican Senator Says Kansas Death Penalty "Too Costly"
i was watching cbc and killer said that the guy was evil and shit and that god told him to kill him... fuking guy should get locked up in a jacket forever
Yah, he said something about that god wanted him to kill the guy sitting next to him and that he was a threat to him. This actually reminds me of something that happened to one of my teachers in High School this summer. He was on a plane heading back to Toronto from the Caribbean (I Think) and he started going crazy, running up and down the isle, then he tried to open the door during mid flight, but was tackled by other people. In Court, they said that god told him to kill everyone on the plane. I don't know what the final word was but he was transported to a institution the last I heard, don't know about charges. Whats with all these "god telling people to do stuff" stuff latley.
You can't just say that... Like hkm said. There's too many ethical issues at work here. Its not as simple as saying we should just put him to rest. And yes they should be thankful we make garbage for them to collect. It keeps their job going. So i don't why not -whistle
regardless, i just think capital punishment is the way to go for some of the obvious case. mental institution and prison are expensive (i don't see how ralph said it's cheaper) .. they don't eating up our resources and taking up space .. i rather have a new park than a new prison ... lol oh yeah ralph .. chop head off just kinda ref to cp .. lol
You gotta pay for all the lawyers that go into a death penalty case. If it's just a regular life sentence, it only comes up for periodic review so that legal costs, including food and shelter, don't amount to all that much by comparison. If you can find some way to have the lawyers do it only pro bono, then it's a different story. Otherwise, you have multiple lawyers going over every line of the case with a fine tooth comb, and they get to appeal if they lose, all the way to the supreme court (in the US). And the taxpayers pick up the tab. If you looked at some of those links that I'd listed, they break down the costs further but it gives you a general idea. It really is just cheaper to put them into a closet for 50 years. That is also a death penalty, just the slow process one. He's going to sit there until he dies. -cool
I can't agree more. Most people don't know anything or enough about schizophrenia so its easy for them to say the person should be just jailed for life or killed. Its not fair that the victim had to die that day form this man, but its also unfair that the culprit has a serious mental disorder. I'm not saying he should just be released or he shouldn't be punished in some way, but just that you should think more about the case in question before you come up with your own solution.
In a rush? For a quick synopsis, just read the red highlighted lines Agreed. One of the unfortunate things that had happened over the last half century was the attempt (by well meaning advocates of the mentally ill) to destigmatize psychiatric illness by deinstitutionalizing patients back into their communities. It was thought that by having closer contacts and the freedom to intermingle with family and loved ones, that ultimately, psychiatric patients would get the best of care and could also lead productive lives. It was supposed to have been a win - win situation for all. That was the vision. The reality thatsubsequently emerged was that the communities themselves didn't want anything to do with these people. Necessary and critical outpatient psychiatric care services, previously promised and alluded to, never quite appeared and in most cases never even existed. Seriously troubled individuals were foisted onto an unsuspecting public where, without their needed medications and counseling, were left to slowly slide into psychosis with the occasional bloody outburst headlining a morning paper. Many long term psychiatric facilities, after loss of funding eventually shuttered doors, transferring gangs of the emotionally disturbed thought too ill to ever release, into the care of local hospitals that were hardly prepared to handle such acute or profound diagnoses. After periods of seeming improvement, many of these patients too, were discharged back into their communities where they faded into the shadows of an uncaring social milieu. Would having a more robust system of identification and early entry into psychiatric care (especially within immigrant communities), have helped to prevent this tragedy? That is hard to say. But what is clear to me vis a vis schizophrenia and mental disease in general, is that compassionate, well intentioned but fiscally inadequate plans have historically crippled both proper care and public safety. Keeping the acutely ill in a setting that both safeguards them and the public is essential. While mental illness is certainly not a crime it is important to recognize the fact that the effects of such disease can and does impact society as a whole. We prudently mandate and maintain isolation for patients that have communicable disease in order to protect the public from the dangers of such illness. Should we not do at least the same to protect the public from the impact of psychiatric disease? The safest place for such a patient, for all concerned, is permanent placement within a controlled setting. Some may look upon doing so as jailing an innocent for life; I would look upon it as providing care for someone who needs it, while protecting public health. The world is recognized as an unfair place; but IMHO, assuring safety for all is undoubtedly the fairest solution of all.
