China hits back with report on U.S. human rights record 2009-02-26 23:22:36 ·China issued a report Thursday, hitting back at a United States report on China's human rights. ·The report reveals that U.S. has turned a blind eye to its own violations of human rights. ·The report reviewed the U.S. human rights record from six perspectives. By Xinhua writers Fu Shuangqi and Wu Xiaojun " "The United States has a string of records of trampling on the sovereignty of and violating human rights in other countries," the report said. It listed the Iraq war, prisoner abuse at Guantanamo, the five-decade embargo against Cuba and arm sales. The war in Iraq had claimed more than 1 million civilian lives and caused the same number of homeless people, it said. The United States maintained the embargo against Cuba, though the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution urging itto end the embargo in last October. U.S. arm sales reached 32 billion U.S. dollars in 2007 and weapons were sold to more than 174 nations and regions. The United States was inactive on its international human rights obligations and offered outbound humanitarian aid that was dwarfed by its status as the richest country in the world, the report said." http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/26/content_10904794.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WARNING! Very Graphic Content Ahead. Over 1 million deaths in the illegal war with Iraq: Spoiler
When it people/ citizen hear bad things about there country they tend to ignore it, especially the ignorant Americans
I agree, you're absolutely right about the ignorant Americans. They tend to ignore everything, and just wave the US flag at everything. But what can I say? Every country seems to have its share of ignorant flag waving assholes. Some countries seem to unfortunately be burdened by an especially large share of them. Luckily though, the majority of Americans are not ignorant and happen to be fairly intelligent. They're not so easily swayed by a false sense of patriotism that it blinds them from right and wrong. If average Americans did ignore incidents like that, then questions about Gitmo, rendition, Abu Gherib, non combat related killings, et cetera, would never be in the news. Yet, we hear about these unfortunate things fairly often. Perpetrators are also prosecuted, though I must admit, that the guilt often doesn't extend far enough up the chain of command to suit my opinion. So, far from ignoring bad things that their country does, most Americans were not only appalled by it, they felt so compelled to do something to right the wrong that it swayed the political mood of the country to vote out the controlling party which made all those mistakes. Unfortunately China doesn't yet have this luxury. Even if they don't like them, Chinese people still can't vote out their controlling party. Oh, but wait, I forgot... Chinese people can't even vote... Now isn't that just so sad?
No only the Americans are ignorant but they are a bunch of idiots who got tricked by their own government over and over which resulted in over 1 million people murdered in Iraq (God knows the true figure, they hid the true figure!). I don't think the majority America's population are intelligence I call them pure stupidity! And oh yeah, where's the WMD weapons? Have they found it yet? The last time I checked they still haven't found any and they stopped looking long time ago. Bush and his whole clown administration should be arrested for war crimes and yet justice hasn't been served! What's your hate towards China? It seems where ever you go you have to take her with you. ROFL!
You know, I actually agree with you here. It was heart breaking (for me a least) to see an idiot like Bush win the election, not once but twice; and to see the originally justified war on terror be manipulated into a personal power tool for Bush and his friends at Big Oil. WMD vis a vis Iraq turned out to be Words of Mass Deception (and there's an interesting article of why this fools people so easily, if I find it I'll post it), so much in fact, that Colin Powell walked away from all of it mid stream. Frankly, I don't think the true death toll for Iraqi civilians will ever be known. How much of it was actually US combat related versus death from sectarian violence would be hard to ever quantify, but it's apparent to me that the US shares a major portion of blame for it. It's about time that the US winds down the whole debacle, give these people their country back and just get the hell out. We need to focus on nailing Bin Laden, which was what the war on terror was about in the first place. Should Bush be arrested for war crimes? I doubt that the US would ever be brave or honest enough to subject a former president (no matter how bad) to a war crime trial, though the idea does have certain resonance with me. Was the first Iraq war justified? Of course, the US went to an ally's (Kuwait) request for aid. Was the second Iraq war justified? No. But the Bush admin certainly tried to make it seem so, by riding it onto the coattails of a justified response to terror. His administration thus played a game of connecting some very unlikely dots and making a dubious case before the American people for attacking Saddam Hussein's regime. Many years and thousands of lives later, we now know it to be an absolute lie. As for your trailing comment on hate towards China? I actually love China (the place), and Chinese (the people); but I hate the Chinese administration even more than I hate the Bush administration because I'm Chinese; it matters much more to me. So when I argue here about PRC government wrongdoing, I'm doing so to highlight the suffering of the Chinese people, because I wish for that suffering to stop. I would defend the Chinese people from oppression from anywhere, be they of western, eastern, or Chinese origins. If you don't believe this, take a look at the thread with Documentaries on China, and look for the Electronic Trash Village (a story about the dumping of used electronice in China by western companies, thus poisoning the air and water of towns that take this stuff in). Why bother to include a story about westerners damaging China if I was, as you stated, a China hater? Using nationalism as a faux patriotism for state agenda is not new. If you examine how Serbia was able to whip up racial and ethic fervor in their war against Croation and Bosnian separatists, or how Hutu government officials stoke tribal hate in their massacre of rival Tutsi, you'll begin to get an understanding in how insidious governments can be in terms of shaping the attitudes of their people, and even of their enemies. The Germans certainly knew the value of this, as evidenced by their production of a fake utopian Jewish deportation city, Theresienstadt, to convince Jews that it was really in their best interests to be deported to the camps. Like I find redneck Americans (who are willing to go anywhere and do anything that their government tells them to) to be a bunch of flag blinded fools, I find Chinese nationalists to be the exact same way. Their government pushes that button and the Chinese masses go marching on to some foreign embassy or foreign national business concern. Chinese nationalists are just like American rednecks; you say anything about their government and the first thing they'll do is label you as either an enemy or a traitor. They'll never look to see if there's a problem and this is their fundamental weakness. The Bush admin certainly played on that weakness with Americans in order to convince the rest of America to go along with its planned war on Iraq. The PRC government does very much the same with China's nationalists vis a vis its agendas in Tibet and XinJiang. As for constantly talking here about China? Er... hello, this is the CHINESE CHAT section? Which is a section for: That's why talking about another country's issues or problems (especially as a way of rebuttal or defense) here, is considered off topic. Oh, and you can get up off the floor now. It's rather unbecoming.
You are one wandering confuse bloke. You are supposing that those that have vigorously rebutted your views are from PRC. Talk about hypocrisy and paranoia and shameless double standards. You despise the rednecks for being mindless, and in that case, can we then despise you for being agitated by the same propaganda that the rednecks have subscribe to ? Hell you can even justify one million deaths in Iraq just because the first war in Iraq was justifiable ! Ralph comon. First war in Iraq had UN approval. The second one was a plain invasion without UN sanction with the clear agenda of regime change, based on falsified evidence about Iraq arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. You didn't know that ? Trying to pull a stunt here again ? You expect the readers here to be that ignorant ? While you can blow your horns for the west and the US and accuse those who disagree with you as blinded PRC patriots who does work as directed by the PRC, then in that case, can they then label you as a CIA agent or an Anti China anarchist ? is it fair to you that others might think of you as a faux patriot for the west and the mighty infallible perfect USA ? Are you one ? You can hate China all you want, you have every right to do so. Hate is a very very strong word my friend. And thus, you can only expect strong reactions to that. Do you expect anything less vitriolic ? And your old and lame line that talking about other countries problems like your beloved west is off topic here just reconfirm all your bias, irrationality and worship of anything and everything west. Just because Ralph you declare that anything else which you do not like to read is off topic means we have to obey ? Do you actually have any idea how dictatorial you sound ? And you are here blasting China for being autocratic ? Its just goes to show your very insecurity and how flawed your world view is. If we tear down your tower of cards about the governance and structures of the west and all its hypocrisy, remember this, no one is targeting you personally. Your reaction is indeed really strange. By the way, I am Chinese. And if I am here talking to another Chinese about the west as a comparison to the ongoing in China, every post is valid. You can ignore it if you choose. Unless it aches you to read it. Choice is yours Cheers
-wonders why mobidoo attacks ralph so often- i understand debating with ralph, but badgering him constantly isn't so nice :|
It's one thing when you disagree with someone and argue according to reasoning about points that are germane to the issue. However, once you start name calling and insulting the other party with personal attacks, that's really uncalled for and quite another thing. Ever since this guy off handedly referred to the new US president as a spade (which is a cute way of trying to say Nigger), I knew he wasn't serious about discussion, but was more interested in flaming someone who disagreed with his political point of view. I thank you for your concern at forum civility and your courage in speaking up for it. I'm glad that others see his behavior for what it is. But, no need to worry about him for my sake. I don't even see what he says anymore. He's on my permanent Ignore List.
Attack and badgering him ? Wooooooooo. If you wanna talk about level of decency, I suggest you turn towards Ralph who feels that Millions of Chinese deaths can be ignored if they die at the hands of the West. If you wanna talk about levels of mental health, you should be inspired by Ralph's latest statement that millions of Iraqi death can be justified by the intended good of the west. Why then are you attacking me for being reasonable and factual ? And believe me, I have been really nice towards Ralph simply because I have bothered with furnishing him with an alternative perspective. If he haven't been a Chinese, or someone I think who is capable of critical thinking, I wouldn't have bothered to reply in the first place. Rigorous debate is never one sided. Action, reaction. No fire without wind. There is just one point I want to make though. We are all children of the Chinese diaspora. Just look at some of the makeup of members of this forum. And I am totally amazed by the intellect, humor, wit and fraternity that this forum offer. If you ask me, this perhaps is one of those place where an exchange of the on goings in China between Chinese can be debated. China is undergoing unprecedented social changes on a daily basis. It is simply impossible that we are all going to have a unified world view about that. That is obvious. But more importantly, some of us might be delighted at the variety and differences in view. The process at the end of which, could help foster a better understanding of the myriad of complex issues in China and how best we can get a more balance pictures about it. Cheers
Rapists should be hanged, it's the worst crime I believe you can commit, murder is murder, but rape is crime that punishes the victim for life,. I despise rapists, castrate then hang them. Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape' Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged. By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent and Paul Cruickshank Last Updated: 8:21AM BST 28 May 2009 Iraq prison abuse: Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape' A previous image of Iraq prison abuse At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee. Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube. Related Articles * New outrage over Iraq prison abuse photographs * US troops could stay in Iraq for a decade * Call for inquiry into Abu Ghraib 'rape' photographs * Telegraph report over Abu Ghraib 'abuse' photos confirmed * Obama attempts to block release of 'torture' photos * Barack Obama to release up to 2,000 photographs of prisoner abuse Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts. Detail of the content emerged from Major General Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted an inquiry into the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq. Allegations of rape and abuse were included in his 2004 report but the fact there were photographs was never revealed. He has now confirmed their existence in an interview with the Daily Telegraph. The graphic nature of some of the images may explain the US President’s attempts to block the release of an estimated 2,000 photographs from prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan despite an earlier promise to allow them to be published. Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President’s decision, adding: “These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency. “I am not sure what purpose their release would serve other than a legal one and the consequence would be to imperil our troops, the only protectors of our foreign policy, when we most need them, and British troops who are trying to build security in Afghanistan. “The mere description of these pictures is horrendous enough, take my word for it.” In April, Mr Obama’s administration said the photographs would be released and it would be “pointless to appeal” against a court judgment in favour of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). But after lobbying from senior military figures, Mr Obama changed his mind saying they could put the safety of troops at risk. Earlier this month, he said: “The most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to inflame anti-American public opinion and to put our troops in greater danger.” It was thought the images were similar to those leaked five years ago, which showed naked and bloody prisoners being intimidated by dogs, dragged around on a leash, piled into a human pyramid and hooded and attached to wires. Mr Obama seemed to reinforce that view by adding: “I want to emphasise that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib.” The latest photographs relate to 400 cases of alleged abuse between 2001 and 2005 in Abu Ghraib and six other prisons. Mr Obama said the individuals involved had been “identified, and appropriate actions” taken. Maj Gen Taguba’s internal inquiry into the abuse at Abu Ghraib, included sworn statements by 13 detainees, which, he said in the report, he found “credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses.” Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.” The translator was an American Egyptian who is now the subject of a civil court case in the US. Three detainees, including the alleged victim, refer to the use of a phosphorescent tube in the sexual abuse and another to the use of wire, while the victim also refers to part of a policeman’s “stick” all of which were apparently photographed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html
For the Bush years, alot of Americans have said they are sorry ... http://www.sorryeverybody.com/ Too bad the site owner decided to commercialize the whole thing now; but you should have seen the participants of Americans during Bush's 2nd term. If you had seen that, you wouldn't have said ignorant and idiot Americans. Sure, there are ignorant idiots in US; but, can you honestly say everyone in China are brilliant and totally aware of the political situation there? Again, to be fair, i'm sure there are lots of Chinese people that are bright and aware of the whole situation in China; thus, we have unfortunate incidents like the Tianmen Square. But that was back then; I haven't heard of such incidents lately. Are the Chinese being brilliant now? At the very least, US had a political shift in the last election - from Republican controlled Senate and President to Democrat controlled Senate and President. My point being, there are ignorant people, there are idiots wherever you are in the world. So, stop acting like you know everything that's going on in the world; especially in foreign countries and foreign governments. What anyone can honestly say they know is through the news, sometimes bias, sometimes inaccurate? Can you honestly say, the news covers every intricate details of the corruption of governments, the secrecy of governments of the world?
