Scientist admits there has been no global warming since 1995

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  1. Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995


    • Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing
    • There has been no global warming since 1995
    • Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes
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    Data: Professor Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good as it should be'The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information. Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

    Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’. The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory. Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

    And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming. The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made. Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.

    The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions. Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of ‘scientific fraud’ for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics. Discussing the interview, the BBC’s environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying.

    Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC’s website, said the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature change. That material has been used to produce the ‘hockey stick graph’ which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent decades. According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said ‘his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account over them’.

    Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance to share data with critics, which he regretted.

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    But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature rises were predominantly man-made. Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: ‘There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be. There’s a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We have improved but we have to improve more.’

    He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not. He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend. And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled.

    Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high temperatures in northern countries. But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only applying to the northern part of the world. Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: ‘There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.

    ‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions. ‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.’ Sceptics said this was the first time a senior scientist working with the IPCC had admitted to the possibility that the Medieval Warming Period could have been global, and therefore the world could have been hotter then than now.

    Professor Jones criticised those who complained he had not shared his data with them, saying they could always collate their own from publicly available material in the US. And he said the climate had not cooled ‘until recently – and then barely at all. The trend is a warming trend’. Mr Harrabin told Radio 4’s Today programme that, despite the controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made. But Dr Benny Pieser, director of the sceptical Global Warming Policy Foundation, said Professor Jones’s ‘excuses’ for his failure to share data were hollow as he had shared it with colleagues and ‘mates’.

    He said that until all the data was released, sceptics could not test it to see if it supported the conclusions claimed by climate change advocates. He added that the professor’s concessions over medieval warming were ‘significant’ because they were his first public admission that the science was not settled.


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  2. AC0110

    AC0110 Let the Fun Begin

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  3. now some people need to be going to prison for fraud and these bogus taxes need to be abandoned.
     
  4. blkperc

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    now al gore deserves a smack in the face!
     
  5. turbobenx

    turbobenx .........

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    i'm still pretty sure there is.
     
  6. lovetvb

    lovetvb Well-Known Member

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    Are good lied ?
     
  7. krazyaznboi

    krazyaznboi Well-Known Member

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    is it possible to revoke nobel awards?
     
  8. gordonng85

    gordonng85 Well-Known Member

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    Al Gore is a sore loser.
     
  9. -Tisken-

    -Tisken- Well-Known Member

    i dont believe this article... i think there is a human-caused global warming....
     
  10. propaganda is a powerful thing, even when told its a lie, masses still believe and point to the false 'proof' that was originally provided >.<

    i do believe in natural earth cycles where it may get warmer then colder and so forth but global warming (which came just after so called global cooling if you remember) is a crock of crap made for the purpose of taxation and political reasons.

    i duno, maybe the truth is coming out because its purpose has been served and maybe its to late to stop the damage this lie has caused.
     
    #10 master_g, Feb 14, 2010
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2010
  11. media is a powerful thing like this article? There's 2 camps u either believe or u don't but there's a big theory either side can argue. I believe in china smog and that we can affect our environment if we destroyed it enough.
     


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    I do agree with 'local' issues like smog in cities but on a global scale with the stuff they were putting out.. I dont think so... but yeah if a person wants to believe it then thats fine as long as they understand its theory and not fact, because of this 'theory' we are taxed, and that's factual unfortunately.

    but in many cases we get biased research to serve the ends of whoever hired them, these guys just happened to get caught.
     
  13. i for one do not believe in global warming..... will not go into so much detail cause this could go on as much as the belief in god... so yeah.....
     

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  15. moar proof please
     
  16. fookjay07

    fookjay07 Well-Known Member

    lol i agree as well... there must be some human cause for global warming...
     
  17. AC0110

    AC0110 Let the Fun Begin

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    Whether human causes Global Warming or not
    I think we should still strive and invest for "Greener technology", there's no harm in doing so anyways
    However, Global Warming should not be our 1st priority, there are other problems such as poverty and so on...
     
  18. robsh

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    i remember my professor for thermodynamics said that we are not into global warming
    but rather global freezing its kinda like a sine graph where we are actually dropping from the top to the bottom, so we heading towards the ice age
    even man made excess of CO2 is more likely to be absorbed by the slightly increased in seawater level is able to balance it because water absorbes much more CO2 than air
    and now there is still no prove of global warming
    maybe we should consider global freezing
     
  19. there isnt a human cause for global warming cus there is no global warming -woot2
     
  20. negiqboyz

    negiqboyz Well-Known Member

    Well, regardless of this article, I personally believe global warming does exist. Perhaps there isn't a way to accurately measure it yet but man-made shits certainly have an impact on mother Earth. It's a damn lie if there's no such thing.