You make great points, but I don't have the same standard. Envision yourself as a coach !. A PG does not need to make headlines w/ stats, his play is observed by REAL eyes. You and I know that the NBA craves the BIG PLAYERS, for obvious reasons. A PG that has to score that much points is not really a PG. A PG is someone that has the least amount of attention because his role is to 'lead' and 'orchestrate'. DROSE puts a lot of stats, and he's great on that level, but a better PG would be one that would actually help his team construct wins through other players. Rondo is no where near a great PG. I wouldn't want him on my team. Give PARKER credit as well as the SPURS. They are dubbed as a boring franchise and that's because they spend hours playing together w/ passion and doing things the right way. They don't cry and whine after 1-2 seasons demanding a trade like some. Tony Parker this year has been subtle because the media focuses on stories that can sell ! But if you watch how this team plays, it's not like MANU came in recently, it's not like TIM DUNCAN wore another jersey. This team has been winning because of 'chemistry' and great leadership. I am not discounting the skill set DWILL, CP3, WESTBROOK, etc, but you are looking at STATISTICS too much to the point where great leadership is not documented on a stat sheet. Here is my break down from what I have OBSERVED. I don't know if others really use passion to watch BASKETBALL, but here's what I think. RONDO - He's skillful but he lacks a real true PG mentality and real stats, like FT %. He has a great team, but his skill set does not fulfill a PG. DWILL - He's big, he has size, and he can score and pass. I dub him as a great PG, but he cannot pass the blame to team mates. He has a lot to work on b4 he's crowned a great PG. For now, he's in the same shoe as Baron Davis years ago, and Rose. NASH - In my books, I will always hold NASH as one of the best PGs to play the game. He has all the fundamentals, skill set to be in that position. I sometimes question his decision making, but it might be due to the team, still, he fulfills this role really well ! DROSE - Get real when you think this guy is a PG. Out of Memphis, this guy's mentality was to score ! Watch him play ! A PG has to have the best skill set and leadership. DROSE takes it upon himself to score, and make headlines, but it's at the expense of the team's success. Keep on dreaming ! He's just like Ben Gordon, a SG in a PG body. He has skills but nothing of a real PG mentality. WESTBROOK - Like DROSE, his mentality is to score, not facilitate or get his team going like a PG should. His stats will dazzle, but success does not come from there. CP3 - A hard working fellah w/ the vision, skill set and passion. He's definitely primed for being great. I would want CP3 on my team because he has that vision and mentality as a PG. A great PG none the less, if not one of the better ones that can play in his respective system. You look at too much statistics that are out of proportion ! What is your definition of a great PG? Remember, envision yourself as a 'coach'. No one gave a shet about. D.FISHER, yet he's had a lot more rings than any of these guys and have made clutch shots. This clearly shows how the public is fooled by the media. When dubbing a PG as being the best, look at his history, look at his dedication and decision making. STATS are worthless if not viewed in context ! This year, I still say T.Parker is the best due to their success, stats, and chemistry. CP3 is up there too.
Let's put things into a different perspective here... you want to argue that a playmaking, pass first PG is a "true" PG... and that these PG are essentially, better... ok... Steve Nash, look at his play this year... besides not being as good at the 3 this year, he's pretty much been the same Steve Nash... However, this year, at the current rate... The Suns would miss out on the playoffs... they're also 10 games out of their division... Whereas last year, the Suns claimed the 3rd seed AND were only 3 games out of first in their division, as well as the 1st seed... What's the difference? Amare... or lack thereof... Steve Nash since landing in Phoenix has been the epitome of a pass first, playmaking PG still playing today... yet his team isn't winning... did Nash change? no... they lost a valuable player they just couldn't afford to lose in Amare... What is Amare doing now? O right... he's putting the Knicks back into the playoffs... the same Knicks that won just 29 games last season and 12 games out of the playoffs... Derrick Rose... now he's a "score first" PG right? his 8 apg pales in comparison to Parker's 7apg... I bet if you put Tony Parker on the Bulls, and Derrick Rose on the Spurs, their teams' success would be completely opposite... Tony Parker would have the Bulls in first place in the East and Rose would only have the Spurs in third in the west... cuz, u know... Tony Parker builds better chemistry with his teams... and his stats are so much better than Derrick Rose... fck Manu, Manu's only part of the equation... he NEEDS Tony Parker in order for him to be having his MVP caliber season right? Cuz u know... Tony Parker creates Manu's shots, Manu can't make his own shot to save his life... that Eurostep of his is bs and only happens cuz the big he's against is lazy right? To be the best PG, you have to be a game changer... ur the floor general, u make shit happen... even if it means taking it to the hoop urself... that's what winners do... they take over the game... no way in hell does CP3, Tony Parker, Felton, Calderon, Nash or Kidd do that... Westbrook, DWill and possibly John Wall at some point this season can... and will... Derek Fisher is not a bloody floor general, he's a serviceable point guard who won't lose games for you... He doesn't have to handle the ball most of the time, fcking Kobe has the ball the entire 4th quarter if the game is close... Fisher's shared time with other points every year in LA... He doesn't have to worry about taking those clutch shots because Kobe will do it for him... he can also remain calm and actually hit his occasional clutch shots because Kobe dumps the ball off to him to hit his signature clutch threes... Fisher can't even defend his little girl in a 1on1 game... Honestly, think of it this way... how fcking useful is ur pass first pg when you have someone like a Kobe, LBJ, DWade, Melo, Durant... all holding the ball in the 4th quarter in close games? Compare that to guys like Rose who HAS to take charge and win the games... Note on CP3... He's a great player, and he helps his team win games... he makes his team better... A LOT better than they should be... I personally think David West is a complete scrub and is complete crap if it wasn't for CP3... the only way I see CP3 taking games over is with his defense... and he makes some spectacular plays on D... you can argue that he can turn games around that way... but he just doesn't have that winner's mentality... especially having been a whiney bitch about wanting a trade and getting DC dropped off in Indiana...
A shoot first PG hasn't seen much success in the league and that's really evident due to size in the league. The game has evolved where teams still value a big time center like Dwight Howard, Bynum, Shaq, Griffin. They know this because this is a physical game, like any other sport. Scouts always value size. I guess you as a GM have a diff't perspective. In respects, I feel that a PG is there to execute, and he doesn't need to score or hit headlines w/ his stats. I would prefer a solid PG that can lead, shoot consistently and reliable. Rondo a PG? He can barely shoot from the field, but the league raves heavy on him because he's able to pick up assists easily given the team he is on. Like I said, guys like DROSE were never players in a PG role. They built themselves around the shoot first mentality. And though early in their careers, these guys still haven't been in it long enough to prove anything yet! It's a competitive league where drafts bring potential talent. I laughed when you belittled Fisher. Guys like him don't exist any more because most guys don't stick to a system or organization. Yet he has made constant clutch shots in big time games and have won respectable rings. If you were to attack him on his physical skills 'right' now', then it is evident that he has lost his step due to age, but his experience has definitely won a role ahead of Blake, who is much quicker & faster. Anyone can be a game changer, it isn't reserved just for the PG position. If you want your PG to be a game changer, then I suppose you would place emphasis in that position. On NASH, he is considered a pass first PG in my books, but he has the talent to shoot consistently and make passes. He really showed the league in the year he won the MVP. But yeah, if you put it that way: Paul DRose etc are great PGs now, regardless of overall team success. It's the way they've been playing.
