Daced canned fish

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missing this...any one that tried this knows its the best! good with anything congee, rice, even noodles! brings back memories :(

no where to be found anymore though.

#1 shinobi, Jun 11, 2011
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Love that!
'dull see len yuu' (black bean dace, aka the title).

Heard it's because of people dying after eating this or the amount of sodium/soda used to preserve this fish freshness.

Ralph, enlighten us LOL

This can be eat cold or hot, goes with literally anything! Yum yum

#2 kevin, Jun 11, 2011
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Arent they canned sardines?

#3 mr_evolution, Jun 12, 2011
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mr_evolution said: ↑

Arent they canned sardines?
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whatever they are, they are Nice!

they still sell it but it's on rare occasions and they are EXPENSIVE!

#4 kevin, Jun 12, 2011
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kevin said: ↑

whatever they are, they are Nice!

they still sell it but it's on rare occasions and they are EXPENSIVE!
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expensive canned food?

#5 mr_evolution, Jun 12, 2011
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sardine is so smelly lol this has no smell cause its fried and that black bean sauce ...the taste cannot be duplicated!

#6 shinobi, Jun 12, 2011
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mr_evolution said: ↑

expensive canned food?
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EG: 7 years ago this stuff cost £1.79 and today it cost around £3.50 per canned fish. Hey shino, any idea why they rarely sell these?

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Like many of the best recipes, dace in black beans is a simple food: Two or three dried, salted mud carp, soaked in a mixture of salty fermented black soya beans, soy sauce, secret spices and some kind of vegetable oil. It could be sump oil, but if it is, then it's salted sump oil.

In short, it's heart-disease in a can. In one meal, you get more salt than your body can safely digest in a month, a concentration of pollutants that can only come from a Chinese river, and several desert-spoons full of oil. It's a heart attack, ulcers and bowel cancer, all in one handy portable package.

In August, the government as is its wont, followed the lead of governments elsewhere and banned the import of foods containing malachite green – an industrial dye often used to protect fish from parasites.

The following month, retailers were quietly asked to withdraw three batches of canned fish found to contain the chemical.
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Read the red if you are in a rush like to take a dump lol

#7 kevin, Jun 12, 2011
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china for sure still has them...i think its harder to get them over here now...so fewer shops carry them....or shop don't want to carry it for that reason why it was banned.

#8 shinobi, Jun 12, 2011
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they still sell this in NL... my grandmother used to feed us this canned stuff lol... havent had this for a long time but im sure ive seen it at asian supermarkets! kinda weird u guys dont have this anymore in canada since there are like soooo many chins there....

#9 MissCheekS, Jun 13, 2011
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kevin said: ↑

Love that! 'dull see len yuu' (black bean dace, aka the title). Heard it's because of people dying after eating this or the amount of sodium/soda used to preserve this fish freshness. Ralph, enlighten us LOL This can be eat cold or hot, goes with literally anything! Yum yum
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Actually, this is rather old news. It has been a long standing issue since 2007. Following article was from CNN Money:

FDA bans import of drugged fish from China
Food and Drug Administration announced a ban on the import of five species of seafood from China due to possible contamination with medications.
June 28 2007: 4:54 PM EDT

ROCKVILLE, Md. (CNN) -- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Thursday announced it is blocking the import from China of five species of seafood until their importers can prove they are not contaminated. "FDA is initiating an import alert against several species of imported Chinese farmed seafood because of numerous cases of contamination with drugs and unsafe food additives," said Dr. David Acheson, the agency's assistant commissioner for food protection, in a conference call with reporters. The species cited are catfish, eel, shrimp, basa and dace, he said. Basa is similar to catfish; dace is similar to carp. The medications cited include the antimicrobials nitrofuran, malachite green, gentian violet and fluoroquinolones.

Nitrofuran, malachite green, and gentian violet have been shown to cause cancer in laboratory animals. Use of fluoroquinolones in food-producing animals can result in antibiotic resistance. None of them is approved for use in farmed seafood in the United States and some of them have been shown to cause cancer when fed to laboratory animals for "prolonged periods of time," Acheson said. Alerts have been issued in the past, but Thursday's announcement is the largest. The food will not be allowed into the United States until the importer can prove it is free from harmful contaminants, Acheson said.

Food safety at issue, local farming praised

He said the agency decided to broaden its previous alerts for products from individual companies to a countrywide alert after tests showed that 15 percent of those species of seafood produced by 18 companies in China contained traces of one or more of the contaminants. "FDA is taking this action to protect the public health of the American people," he said. The products "could cause serious health problems if consumed over a long period of time," he said. Still, Acheson added, the low levels of contaminants means that there is "no imminent threat" to the public health. China is the world's largest producer of farmed fish, accounting for 70 percent of the total produced, he said. It is the third-largest exporter of farmed fish to the United States. The action is an import alert, which means that these products from Chinese processors "will be detained and refused entry into the United States until the importer can demonstrate that the product is safe and in compliance with applicable regulations," said Margaret O' K. Glavin, FDA's associate commissioner for regulatory affairs. Last year, the FDA slapped a countrywide alert on all Chinese eel after tests showed residues of an antimicrobial agent, she said.

Lax oversight, globalization erode product safety

Since then, and "despite extensive communications between FDA and appropriate Chinese authorities to correct the problem, we have continued to find residues of certain veterinary drugs or food additives that are not permitted for use in the United States," she added. Glavin said the FDA inspects 5 percent of seafood from China. The first alert on Chinese seafood occurred before 2001, she said. "We're not asking for this product to be withdrawn from the market or for people to take this out of their freezers and throw it away," Acheson said. "This is a long-term health concern; it is not an acute health concern." China is not the sole offender, Glavin said. Import alerts have been ordered for firms in the Philippines, Mexico "and several others," though this is the first countrywide import alert, she said. More than 80 percent of shrimp eaten in the United States is imported, including 7 percent from China, according to the National Fisheries Institute. About 10 percent of catfish eaten in the United States comes from China, the seafood industry advocacy group said.

Last year, the United States imported 590,299 metric tons of shrimp from abroad; 68,150 metric tons of which came from China, according to the Department of Commerce. The United States imported $1.2 billion of fish from China in 2004, according to H. M. Johnson & Associates, a seafood industry research group.

Source: http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/28/news/international/china_fish/index.htm
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And here is the excerpt of the relevant order from US FDA website:

...Because the problems were seen in product from many different companies located in various parts of China, FDA imposed a countrywide Import Alert (IA #16-131) on all farm-raised catfish, basa, shrimp, dace and eel from China. Shipments of products covered by Import Alert 16-131, which went into effect on June 28, 2007, are subject to detention without examination at the time they are offered for import into U.S. commerce. The shipments can be released by FDA after evidence is provided to overcome the appearance that the products are violative. Such evidence could include appropriate samples of the product properly analyzed for the aquaculture drugs of concern by a third party laboratory and found to be free of drug residues. A producer that provides evidence that it has the appropriate controls and processes in place to ensure the safety of its product will be considered for removal from detention without physical examination (DWPE). The import alert recommends that the producer provide information in three areas, as follows:

Documentation showing that a minimum of five consecutive entries have been released by FDA based on third-party laboratory analysis verifying that the products do not contain the specified substances;

Documentation from an appropriate third party demonstrating that an inspection of the processor was conducted and that the seafood was processed in accordance with FDA's Seafood HACCP regulations, including controls for aquaculture drugs; and

Documentation that the processor is in compliance with all Chinese government requirements for exporting aquacultured seafood to the United States.

Since imposition of the countrywide Import Alert, FDA has detained 2,964 shipments of aquacultured seafood from China, and through laboratory testing, 1,387 of those shipments have been released into U.S. commerce. Zhanjiang Guolian Aquatic Products Corporation, Zhanjiang, China (Guolian), one of the largest aquaculture shrimp exporting firms in that country, was the first Chinese company to request removal from DWPE under the Import Alert. The Chinese government's regulatory agency responsible for the export of food, the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ) certified Guolian's compliance with FDA's Seafood HACCP Regulation with respect to the control of unapproved aquaculture drugs. AQSIQ has expressed its intention to FDA to use Guolian as a model to show other aquaculture companies how to implement preventive controls for aquaculture drugs that will minimize the risk of unapproved drug residues in the product, facilitating their removal from the Import Alert. FDA's consideration of Guolian's request for removal from DWPE consisted of the following actions.

FDA personnel reviewed documentation of the firm's HACCP controls for unapproved aquaculture drugs and performed an on-site audit of AQSIQ's physical inspection of the firm's processing plant in China, which included a review of the documentation for aquaculture drug process controls. This audit, conducted in August 2007, indicated that AQSIQ's certification that the firm meets the requirements of FDA's Seafood HACCP Regulation with respect to the control of aquaculture drugs was well founded.

FDA reviewed reports of third party laboratory analysis of five consecutive shrimp shipments from the firm in which no drug residues were found.

FDA reviewed a certification from the Chinese government that the firm is in compliance with Chinese requirements for exporting seafood to the United States.

Based upon our review, we determined that the firm had demonstrated an ability to consistently produce a non-violative product. Therefore, on September 18, 2007, FDA removed Guolian from detention without examination under Import Alert 16-131. The Agency has reviewed reports of third party laboratory analysis from 27 shrimp shipments produced by the firm from the June 28, 2007 effective date of the Import Alert to the present. No unapproved drug residue was found in any of these samples. Approximately 26 Chinese firms have requested their removal from Import Alert 16-131. To date, none have fully met FDA's expectations for removal from the Import Alert and Guolian remains the only firm exempted. However, AQSIQ has certified compliance for an additional thirteen Chinese firms and FDA has completed its paper review of the materials related to these firms. An on-site audit of AQSIQ's certification inspections of these firms is planned for July 2008. Successful completion of the audit will result in removal of these thirteen firms from the Import Alert and acceptance of future AQSIQ certification for other firms as meeting the second element (listed above) of removal from the Import Alert. The National Marine Fisheries Service has also submitted a list of firms that they have certified to be incompliance with the Seafood HACCP Regulation with respect to the control of aquaculture drugs. FDA is awaiting materials from these firms to complete a paper review and, ultimately, an on-site audit.

Source: http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Testimony/ucm115243.htm
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In other words, the items are NOT banned. However, any importer of such products would have the product automatically detained at customs, until the importer has the items tested and can then prove to the FDA that said items are free of the discussed chemicals. This is rather an onerous requirement. Many of the Chinese companies are working overtime in trying to eliminate the use of these aggressive aquafarming production carcinogens from their products in order to regain entry into their most profitable market, the US. However, given the way that the PRC manages food safety, it's going to be a very hard task to accomplish.

On a personal note, as for the canned Salted Black Bean Dace? I can't stand the shit.
#10 ralphrepo, Jun 14, 2011
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I thought they were sardines too. I don't eat them but my parents does but then that's coz the fish is too dry and I'm not into black bean muchy :-(

Last time I had it when there were literally no food in the house at all lol

#11 bbgirlsum, Jun 14, 2011
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wahh Ralph enlightened us once again lol *thumbsup*

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I thought they were sardines too. I don't eat them but my parents does but then that's coz the fish is too dry and I'm not into black bean muchy :-(

Last time I had it when there were literally no food in the house at all lol
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I can't stand black beans too but for some reasons I could cope with the black beans within this daced canned fish.

#12 kevin, Jun 14, 2011
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wow never heard of it called...'daced canned fish'.....is that sorta like just saying
dead fish..??...yeshh ya can still get it in chin supermarkets here....but ya gotta
becareful and not get the ones that dun have the black beans.....if ya only likey
the ones with black beans...coz theres 2 diff. ones.....one with black beans and the other without...

ive never been a fan of them anyways...my fam likes them though

#13 brown_bear, Jun 14, 2011
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I am cautious of China-made stuff especially food stuff since there have been so many reports of unscrupulous Chinese business persons who add all sorts of stuff into the manufacture of their goods - milk that kills, fake eggs, and what-nots and even toxic toys. We will all do well in being cautious.

#14 colbne, Jun 15, 2011
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brown_bear said: ↑

wow never heard of it called...'daced canned fish'.....is that sorta like just saying
dead fish..??...yeshh ya can still get it in chin supermarkets here....but ya gotta
becareful and not get the ones that dun have the black beans.....if ya only likey
the ones with black beans...coz theres 2 diff. ones.....one with black beans and the other without...

ive never been a fan of them anyways...my fam likes them though

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Well, to be grammatically correct, the type of fish is known as a Dace (a common name for a collection of several species of small fish). So the title of this thread, "Daced" Canned Fish, should actually be written as Canned Fish or Preserved Dace; one cannot "dace" a fish per se. Be that as it may, a canned fish is usually dead. Since you're in the UK, Brown Bear, a US agency like the FDA obviously has no say in the import of items into your country.

#15 ralphrepo, Jun 15, 2011
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I thought the US still has them.. Bought some recently from the supermarket -unsure... but maybe different brand from what shin posted.

this is the brand we bought..

#16 runtohell121, Jun 15, 2011
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If it's white pearl it's genuine. Rest are fakes.

#17 kevin, Jun 15, 2011
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This product is still available in a lot of Asian stores, although I don't buy it much, a few times a year we'll have it for dinner or lunch. It's really good. I like fermented black beans, it's good with spare ribs...

China's gov't really is slow to take care of this food safety issues, almost every day you see stories about food contamination, fakes and they aren't punishing those people hard enough.

#18 EvilTofu, Jun 15, 2011
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Confirmed: NY still sells/has them.

#19 RockkxD, Jun 15, 2011
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This stuff is so good lol. This is all I had for like a week during exams...No time to buy groceries and all my food from home was gone xD

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