Valid points. And I agree. But perhaps "criminal" is too strong a word to refer to carelessness? Because the human being is very impulsive. We are the victims of our own carelessness.
So if someone broke into your house would you blame yourself or the thief?. Granted the thief will force their way through your door or window, and in the same manner a hacker must force their way through whatever security feature a site or network has.
^ I will blame myself for allowing the theif to realise that I am the valid target to get burgaled to. I mean what the theif wants is more cash (regardless whatever reasons whereby selfish or selfless shouldn't be relevant as it can happen to any other people) @ Dan yes maybe the word criminal is too strong for carelessness but I can't think of any other words (maybe coz i'm genuinely drained mentally lol)
I guess there are some differences between a personally owned house, and a bank (because essentially, any institutions that store protected content is pretty much a bank, so for Sony, they own a bank of PSN information) When it's your own house, and you don't implement a protection system for your own house, then it's your fault. However when an institution that has the responsibility of safekeeping protected content, and they fail to do so, then it's not your fault, but the institution's fault. There are plenty of companies that refuse to implement a decent job of protecting someone's content. The thief is simply a player in the scenario. So I do retract my comment about everyone being "careless". You are careless when you have the ability to protect yourself, and not do so. Going back to OP's initial story, I think the group at fault is not the teen, but rather the institutions that failed to adequately protect the asset they were responsible for protecting. Again, hackers are simply players in the game.
Supposedly he just runs an IRC and is not directly related to Lulzsec's operations. Not saying he's never done bad stuff, cause I don't know the guy. But the general consensus of everyone following this story is that this guy is just a scapegoat.
Whether or not the kid is part of Lulzsec, he should be punished for his actions. However, the US and British govt can offer the kid a deal that lowers his sentence or an alternate identity, in return for the contacts of the other members. When they get the members, the US and the British govt better damn well give them some position in the newly formed cyberdefense department against the Chinese, North Korean, Iranian, and Russian hackers.
here's something you should know about lulzsec and anonymous. There's a reason why they are called anonymous. Look it up if you don't know what they are.
Why give them positions within a government program, the same of which they plan to dismantle and destroy?
yeah when you see your private emails leaked and your personal files leaked you'll think of yourself as the innocent one and bring a fucking chainsaw to the hackers' home once you find out. Some people dont really care too much about cash they just get off to exposing other people's faults and failure because they can. I know people still have a sense of separation from information stored virtually vs information stored in real life but its not so different, its just easier now to take in bulk the information of others through the net, more convenient. Its really no different then someone cracking into your mailbox, taking your mail and opening them and then post them on walls. Or forwarding them to another house. Its no different than them going into your house and stealing your sex tapes (lawl) and selling it. Would you have still been careless then? Maybe well at least if your making sex tapes lol. People probably say why would others steal mail etc. but imagine if you were at work and the other people pick up your important mail, i don't know how someone that live independently can do anything. Maybe ask the neighbor? But what if your neighbor was in on it (compare that to hacked security) would you still be deemed "careless?"
I don't understand how anyone can defend these guys in anyway. Sure you can say "Oh sony should have had a better security system" or "Oh the CIA should know they're a target.", that doesn't in any way justify the actions they've taken against thousands of individuals and organizations. You can also blame the individuals who got their passwords released are at fault for not taking better care of their information, but is your information truly ever 100% safe on the internet? No. Just cause you happened to be careless one time, does not justify sutff like this http://i.imgur.com/X2Bhh.png Look at that and try to give me any reason why I shouldn't wanna imprison all these guys for life. It also amazes me how much support this whole joint operation with Lulzsec and anonymous (anti-sec) is getting. Boggles my mind how far society has deteriorated.
^ those who have not been effected give support, when/if they are effected they will sign up here and go to the rant section I noticed when he was first arrested people who knew him were saying he was a 'Very Bright' University student. A day later his mom is saying he is an agoraphobic and has a history of mental illness and his whole life is lived online. people always pull the mental card.
1) I don't have any personal emails saved on my inbox, well never had recieved them as a matter of fact so I wouldn't know what it is like. 2) I have had been in a situation being burgalled at a house before and me and my family all blamed ourselves for not putting out on security better. 3) Living independently don't mean you can't be more "aware" of things to prevent less carelessness. Of course asking your neighbour would be an option if you had known them for a very long time like my boyfriend's neighbour, they even had the key to the house when his dad was still alive just incase of any problem of the diabetes that he had had. Now they do look out ofr us and let us know whether there has been any break ins in the neighbour and what not. At the end of the day if the neighbour happened to be part of the hacking/burglary, it's not something you can prevent but it's all down to how trusting you are and whether you would blame yourself to trust that person too much or not. @ N - some scenarios are all to be differed, i'm just just generalising as i have said
lulzsec deserves a kick in the face. they are egotistical assholes that would steal candy from a baby if it made them look good. people who support them, I ask you this. would you support a bank robber? a mugger who mugs a helpless lady on a street? a car hijacker who points a gun in your face for your car? it's pretty much the same thing.
it's all legally and morally wrong but to these kind of things some people just do it for fun which you could call them arseholes depending on how far they would go. Some do it for selfish reasons, i.e. funding drug habits and what not which you could call them arseholes. Some may do for unselfish reasons like funding for family and has no other way to find money, would you call them arseholes because they are finding a way to support the loved ones and in reality they can't get any help from the welfare state nor have the luck or even the abilty to get a job? the actions are wrong but maybe the reason behind it may differ to understand why it was done. Not saying that this Ryan kid is to be supported but by generealising internet/server hacking to normal burglary/car hijacking to class them as the same thing I can't really agree. Internet hacking to be has less mitigating circumstances to justify their actions.
Agreed, people naturally classify things and say one is worse than the other etc. i say lock em up and throw away the key. When/if they get caught i wonder if they will get sent to Guantanamo. people saying give them a job.. if i rob your house i doubt you gona give me the keys to house sit.
Internet hacking can ruin lives, people have committed suicide over the Internet. lulzsec alone ruined 1000000s of lives (letting out personal secrets, naked pictures, bank account info, paypal info, etc) just for the "lulz", so I don't think you really understand the degree of damage internet hacking can really cause. Also I know they are egotiscal assholes not only from the fact that they are ruining lives//hacking but because I follow what they do, say, act, they think they are godly beings and just want to f with everyone.
