Vietnam and Chinese

Discussion in 'Vietnamese Chat' started by VietBoi, Feb 16, 2006.

  1. singlung2099

    singlung2099 Well-Known Member

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    I'm one of them my family is a mix of both vietnamese and chinese so thats means the Viet and Chinese do mix :D we speak both Vietnamese and cantonese
     
  2. himyfamily

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    well vietnamese and chinese arent 1 .... vietnamese have word that some like french ... some like english and mostly like chinese cause vietnam was occupied
     
  3. Sweet Yu

    Sweet Yu New Member

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    Music is the link ~ I think all most Vietnamese are also like to listening Chinese music ^^ .
     
  4. umeus

    umeus Member

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    according to history, they were not one
     
  5. dauphu

    dauphu Member

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    don't care, we look all the same!-rotfl

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  6. bebe

    bebe Active Member

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    i agrees with u ....
     
  7. maymay

    maymay Member

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    nope chinese n vietnamese never mix
     
  8. payluder

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  9. Sexygundam

    Sexygundam Well-Known Member

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    Well I knew they're not one but I never knew that the chinese occupied Vietnam for 1000years thats a hell of along time! -shock
     
  10. waddragon

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    Viet Nam and China are different. The reason why they have quite the same culture is that chinese empire controled vietnamese people a long time ago.
     
  11. vi3tg0d4n

    vi3tg0d4n Active Member

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    sorry don't know about history
     
  12. titi

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    Agree.

    That's why when you go to the country side in Vietnam, or like old cities like "Hue" you can find old tombstones with chinese writings on them. Even old temples etc have them. Thus written Vietnamese was originally derrived from Chinese characters except not read in Chinese but read in Vietnamese. Also, looking at religion, Vietnamese people worship the same Gods that Chinese people do (Budha) plus they also celebrate Chinese new year and give out red envelopes. So I guess it is safe to say that to some degree the Chinese and Vietnamese were once united.

    And as for Chinese people migrating to Vietnam during the war, that was after China had taken over and made roots in Vietnam. Those people became Vietnamesenized. That's why there are so many Chinese people who can speak Vietnamese and vice versa.

    Now talking about today. How come Chinese people and Vietnamese people seem to have such prejudice against one another?

    I mean in a sense they were one nation at one point in history.

    So why the "Chinese and Vietnamese don't mix" talk?

    I hate it when ppl make stereotypical comments about a race/ethnicity!!
     
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  13. wu_li_zhong

    wu_li_zhong Member

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    Viet is different from Han! Even in the south china cantonese are also different with mandarin!
     
  14. ribsandbbqbeef

    ribsandbbqbeef Well-Known Member

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    Vietnam was never a part of China; Vietnam paid tribute to the Chinese Emperor every year in exchange for information on culture & technology. They sent ambassadors to study in the royal court (along with the Japanese & Koreans), who then made trips back to their countries with new information. This lasted several hundred years, and is why our cultures are so similar. The Vietnamese borrowed a lot of our culture, language, and technology, modified it, and incorporated into their own culture.
     
  15. ribsandbbqbeef

    ribsandbbqbeef Well-Known Member

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    And FYI, Vietnamese & Chinese do get along relatively well. We were the ones who supplied North Vietnam with arms and troops when they were fighting South Vietnam & the USA.
     
  16. aussiekid

    aussiekid Well-Known Member

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    not same.. :).. oh they get along well? i dunno.. but i'm not bein racist.. i still feel better being amongst chinese.. i'm chinese lol. or amongst japs are ok. alot of my viet frens dun bother to knoe bout their family history or like about some viet cultures back in vietnam.. they said.. they're born in aus, canada wherever.. so who cares bout vietnam>.<.. i was thinking.. how could they juz migrate and leave their grandparents there.. they HAVE D DAMN CASH TO GO BACK.. but complain.. it's waste of money/time to go back.. mayb it's juz those i ve met, are like that
     
  17. ribsandbbqbeef

    ribsandbbqbeef Well-Known Member

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    I'm Chinese too. I have a few Viet friends who are cool, but they are all female. I don't get along with the guys much. But family wise, I was brought up to dislike the Japs more since they massacred 250,000 Chinese in Namking back in WWII. But that's more my grandparent's thinking ... since my current Jap friends are all westernized, don't speak a lick of Jap, and doesn't even know what happened during the war -rolleyes
     
  18. VietBoi

    VietBoi Well-Known Member

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    The most popular family names among the Vietnamese are (the Chinese characters following each name are their Chinese equivalents)

    1.Nguyễn 阮 (38.4%)
    2.Trần 陳 (11%)
    3.Lê 黎 (9.5%)
    4.Huỳnh/Hoàng 黃 (5.1%)
    5.Phạm 范 (5%)
    6.Phan 潘 (4.5%)
    7.Vũ/Võ 武 (3.9%)
    8.Đặng 鄧 (2.1%)
    9.Bùi 裴 (2%)
    10.Đỗ 杜 (1.4%)
    11.Hồ 胡 (1.3%)
    12.Ngô 吳 (1.3%)
    13.Dương 楊 (1%)

    The historical significance of the original Nam Việt remains controversial because some historians consider it a Chinese occupation while some believe it was an independent era.

    According to official figures, 86.2% of the population speak Vietnamese as a native language.

    Various other languages are spoken by the several minority groups in Vietnam. The most spoken of these languages are: Tày (1.5 million), Mường (1.2 million), Khmer (1.05 million), Cantonese (870,000, this figure also includes speakers of other Chinese dialects), Nùng (860,000), H'Mông (790,000), and Tai Dam (700,000).

    Due to Vietnam's long association with China, Vietnamese culture remains strongly Confucian with its emphasis on familial duty. Education is highly valued. Historically, passing the imperial Mandarin exams was the only means for Vietnamese people to socially advance themselves.

    French, a legacy of colonial rule, is still spoken by some older Vietnamese as a second language but is losing its popularity.

    In its early history, Vietnamese writing used Chinese characters. In the 13rd century, the Vietnamese developed their own set of characters called Chữ nôm. The celebrated epic Đoạn trường tân thanh (Truyện Kiều or The Tale of Kieu) by Nguyễn Du was written in Chữ nôm. During the French colonial period, Quốc ngữ, the romanised Vietnamese alphabet representation of spoken Vietnamese which was a collective fruit of several Portuguese missionaries, became popular and brought literacy to the masses


    What is known for sure is that for most of the period from 207 BC to the early 10th century, it was under the rule of successive Chinese Dynasties. Sporadic independence movements were attempted, but were quickly extinguished by Chinese forces. In 939, the Vietnamese defeated Chinese forces at the Bạch Đằng River and gained independence. They gained complete autonomy a century later. During the rule of the Trần Dynasty, it defeated three Mongol attempts of invasion by the Yuan Dynasty. Feudalism in Vietnam reached its zenith in the Lê Dynasty of the 15th century, especially during the reign of Emperor Le Thanh Tong. Between the 11th and 18th centuries, the Vietnamese expanded southward in a process known as nam tiến (southward expansion). They eventually conquered the kingdom of Champa and much of the Khmer empire. The independent period ended in the mid-19th century, when the country was colonized by France.
     
  19. trinomial

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    i think both languages sound similiar sometimes, but only when pronouncing names
     
  20. VietBoi

    VietBoi Well-Known Member

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    i belieave Vietnamese people are descendants of Chinese people