http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153 The phenom couldn't even beat the weakest of the current intel quads and the CPU was delayed for an entire year... You'd think that'd be enough time for AMD to try and squeeze out at the very least enough juice to beat atleast one of Intel's quad CPU's. Now Intel's about to release their new line of quads while AMD's trying to catch up.