[VIDEO] KONY 2012

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  1. kdotc

    kdotc 안녕하세요빅뱅K-Dragon입니다

    [video=youtube;Y4MnpzG5Sqc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc[/video]

    KONY 2012 is a film and campaign by Invisible Children that aims to make Joseph Kony famous, not to celebrate him, but to raise support for his arrest and set a precedent for international justice.

    HOW TO HELP:
    Join TRI or Donate to Invisible Children: http://bit.ly/yp5Ffv
    Purchase KONY 2012 products: http://invisiblechildrenstore.myshopify.com/
    Sign the Pledge: http://www.causes.com/causes/227-invisible-children



    FOR MEDIA INQUIRES ONLY: Monica Vigo pr@invisiblechildren.com

    DIRECTOR: Jason Russell LEAD EDITOR: Kathryn Lang EDITORS: Kevin Trout, Jay Salbert, Jesse Eslinger LEAD ANIMATOR: Chad Clendinen ANIMATOR: Jesse Eslinger 3-D MODELING: Victor Soto VISUAL EFFECTS: Chris Hop WRITERS: Jason Russell, Jedidiah Jenkins, Kathryn Lang, Danica Russell, Ben Keesey, Azy Groth PRODUCERS: Kimmy Vandivort, Heather Longerbeam, Chad Clendinen, Noelle Jouglet ORIGINAL SCORES: Joel P. West SOUND MIX: Stephen Grubbs, Mark Friedgen, Smart Post Sound COLOR: Damian Pelphrey, Company 3 CINEMATOGRAPHY: Jason Russell, Bobby Bailey, Laren Poole, Gavin Kelly, Chad Clendinen, Kevin Trout, Jay Salbert, Shannon Lynch PRODUCTION ASSISTANT: Jaime Landsverk LEAD DESIGNER: Tyler Fordham DESIGNERS: Chadwick Gantes, Stephen Witmer

    MUSIC CREDIT:
    "02 Ghosts I"
    Performed by Nine Inch Nails
    Written by Atticus Ross and Trent Reznor
    Produced by Alan Moulder, Atticus Ross, and Trent Reznor
    Nine Inch Nails appear courtesy of The Null Corporation

    "Punching in a Dream"
    Performed by The Naked and Famous
    Written by Aaron Short, Alisa Xayalith, and Thom Powers
    Produced by Thom Powers
    The Naked and Famous appear courtesy of Somewhat Damaged and Universal Republic

    "Arrival of the Birds"
    Performed by The Cinematic Orchestra
    Written by The Cinematic Orchestra
    Produced by The Cinematic Orchestra
    The Cinematic Orchestra appears courtesy of Disney Records

    "Roll Away Your Stone"
    Performed by Mumford and Sons
    Written by Benjamin Lovett, Edward Dwane, Marcus Mumford, and Winston Marshall
    Produced by Markus Dravs
    Mumford and Sons appear courtesy of Glassnote Entertainment Group LLC

    "On (Instrumental)"
    Performed by Bloc Party
    Written by Bloc Party
    Produced by Jacknife Lee
    Bloc Party appears courtesy of Vice Records

    "A Dream within a Dream"
    Performed by The Glitch Mob
    The Glitch Mob appears courtesy of Glass Air

    "I Can't Stop"
    Performed by Flux Pavilion
    Flux Pavilion appears courtesy of Circus Records Limited
     

  2. Too long didn't read?

    And if still TL;DR

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    This goes for the Occupy Movement as well.
     
    #2 Dan, Mar 7, 2012
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  3. Aoes

    Aoes Well-Known Member

    i second dan... damnit... it feels weird to do so... =/
     
  4. .. why?
     
  5. 30 million views in 3 days...i respect his hustle:trollface2:
     
  6. iris

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    Here are some links my friends linked me:

    http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/should-i-donate-money-to-kony-2012-or-not

    [video=youtube;LSMZdVZ2BZo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSMZdVZ2BZo&feature=player_embedded&fb_source=message[/video]

    [video=youtube;odnBGH6Bh88]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&src_vid=LSMZdVZ2BZo&v=odnBGH6Bh88&annotation_id=annotation_943706[/video]

    Like these guys mentioned, if you want to help I'd figure out another way than donating your money to these guys because most of your money wont go to where it should be going
     
  7. Tiger King

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    What offends me about this trend is that people only starting realizing now. And not years and years ago when the situation was just starting to look bad. Now Africa is, I dare say FUBAR.

    Lets not forget about the poverty in Sierra Leone, the wars in Sudan and Congo, the problem in Egypt and much much more.
     
  8. Knoctur_nal

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    Vice did an interesting write up.
     
  9. ThatGuy

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    It's not like this is a bad thing, really.
    Better people start caring now, than people never caring at all, even if this particular movement is somewhat sensationalist.
    Do i think this movement will have much of an effect though? No, not really.
     
  10. MissCheekS

    MissCheekS Reconnaîssant ❤

    ^ if these types of activities help raise awareness, even if it's idiots who r usually too blind to see this kinda stuff and if this gets the government to respond and act on it, then i agree with u... its not a bad thing...
     
  11. ralphrepo

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    You know what this whole issue sort of reminds me of? The idea that we need to "save" heathens from themselves isn't anything new. I know a lot of the folks here are Asian, and in particular, Chinese. Let's review a bit of Chinese history; in the mid 1800's it was believe by well intentioned Europeans that it was their duty to "save" the poor heathen Chinese from their oppression and themselves. The incursions that began as religion, or good will, soon turned into one of economic and strategic consideration. In a half century, bits and pieces of China were snapped up by foreign interests, backed by military might. The well intentioned NGO's of the day were called things like China Inland Mission, et cetera. But whenever they got in trouble with "the natives" or "bandits" or other stubborn individuals, it was relatively easy to call on their nation's flag and resort to arms to enforce their version of what was right.

    Is this guy Kony a very bad man who uses others for his own personal gain? Of course he is; if he had more soldiers and was born of a village in China, we would call him Chairman Mao. But is it our business to attempt to change the paradigm of the world body politic by policing the behavior of all nations who don't fit our vision of functional existence? Qin Shi Huang was reputed to have slaughtered 400,000 Zhao prisoners of war in one night. Yet we celebrate his memory as the one with the magnificent vision to unite China. Mao killed more Chinese than any other person in history (estimated 50 million died from his reign) and we laud his accomplishments as the "Great Helmsman" of modern China. Need I even mention Stalin, or Hitler? This guy Kony? In terms of historic impact, he's a fucking amateur.

    Having said that; who want's another Afghanistan, please raise your hand? The American model of nation building is dead. IMHO, if we feel compelled to do something, then do like the Israelis had done before; go in, bomb the piss out of someone and then get out. A good example is the Bin Laden job. But, no long term hand holding (one look at Karzai and that's already a million reasons why we should never "nation build" at all). Additionally, the organization that had sunk their teeth into this "golden publicity egg" will now try to milk the donations for as far as they will go. What would be interesting is if this guy Kony turns the tables on them and sues for slander and defamation of character; the lawyers would love it, LOL...

    My totally politically incorrect two cents.

    What's offensive, IMHO is how little people actually know about the world that they live in. For those that are interested and want to have a daily indignation: look up the issues surrounding the tribal lands in Brazil, Turkish Kurds situation, the Karan conflict, Palestinian refugee question, XinJiang-Tibet, Zimbabwe and the DPRK. If one does one cause a day, that should be enough offensive angst to fill up one's week. Good hunting ;)
     
    #11 ralphrepo, Mar 8, 2012
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    And how many will die when they use this video to try and "save little kids." They are trying to star a war and these "little kids" are probably brainwashed enough to fight on the opposing side when it happens. They are trying to raise the unnecessary "awareness" when this can only be a covert operation if "saving kids" is their true objective.
     
  13. ThatGuy

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    @ralphrepo
    Pretty complicated issue.

    There's a critically injured man on a street, baring any obligations, is it right to help him? Should we help him? What if he doesn't want help?

    What if we help him, and he gets worse?

    We can go into a country with best intents, and it can turn out badly, but to say we should never help a country again because it turned out badly is a logical fallacy.
    Helping a country does not necessarily imply a bad outcome.

    The problem with invading, helping or whatever is responsibility.
    If you decide to invade a country, it's your responsibility to its citizens to help fix the damage caused.
    If you help a country, you have a responsibility to make sure that the help rendered is effective.
    Sure, you can ignore the responsibility, but then, what does that say of you?

    Before any country goes off acting like the world police, they should really think about whether or not they're willing to take the burden that comes along with it.
     
  14. MissCheekS

    MissCheekS Reconnaîssant ❤

    @nas so u think that he should keep doing his thing so he can collect more child soldiers and u dont think someone should stop him? if they could just assassinate this guy n release the kids =/ or m i just being too simple minded....
     
  15. ralphrepo

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    Note where I underlined and highlighted in red; where does it say this? And if we don't are we going to get sued? Or what will happen? There are many countries in the world who don't adhere to such "rules" and frankly don't care what other's say about them. There is no clause in the world order that demands one nation's obligation to assist another. In fact, history is replete with the polar opposite. Weak nations are generally subsumed by their more powerful neighbors. Why is it that the entire PAC RIM is afraid of China? Because they know that the PRC functions like any other historic sovereign nation, with it's own interests above all, and it really doesn't care what others have to say of it.

    Frankly, if the people in the US really feel compelled to "right this wrong" then send a hit team, kill Kony, and let the Ugandans pick up their own pieces. Don't worry, they have plenty of experience with this. After all, Amin taught them very well (he himself was taught by the Brits). But nation build? Well, if you're going to do that, then you need to first invade and compel the folks there to follow what you think a nation should be.

    Ha! Take that burden, white man! Sorry, couldn't resist.

    Child soldiers are nothing new. Pol pot used child soldiers as an effective police force coercing them to inform on their own parents and often even become their executioners. Maoist China had children publicly rebuke and denounce their parents at struggle rallies. Nicolae Ceaușescu had a plan to turn orphans into his own personal army with no other "father" but the state. In Viet Nam, children were enticed to carry bombs to detonate in front of American soldiers but were told that if they did as they were told they would be rewarded with candy. Kidnapped Christian or Jewish boys from childhood, were turned by Ottoman Turks into an elite fighting force called Janissaries.

    In essence, what is currently happening in Uganda is, historically speaking, nothing new.
     
    #15 ralphrepo, Mar 8, 2012
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  16. ThatGuy

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    @ralphrepo
    1) The definition of responsibility, perhaps. Though what followed is morally debatable.
    2) Absolutely nothing will happen.
    "Sure, you can ignore the responsibility, but then, what does that say of you?"
     
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    i said covert operation not no operation and no one knows how bad of a psychological shape these kids r in
     
  18. Exactly.

    Though the topic of discussion in here is about Kony, I think people are talking about different matters, and it's pretty confusing as to what people are talking about.

    Some are talking about where donations actually go to.
    Others are debating about whether or not our nations should even step in and take action in Uganda.
    And some are annoyed (to say the least), about how ignorant and naive people are for blindly following a "social trend" (the viral video), suddenly becoming activists, when these issues have been going on all over the world, for an extremely long time.

    I just want to ask, what are people's opinion on the effects of social media on society? Because personally, I find it insulting that due to ONE viral social media event, people suddenly jump on the bandwagon, and think it's cool to support something they did not even know about 24 hours before.

    The same goes to the Occupy Movement. 99% of the protesters protest without knowing what they are protesting, due to the social trend created by Occupy Movement. So now, what happened to Occupy Movement? There hasn't been a SINGLE talk about Occupy Movement for weeks.

    In a few days, this Kony trend will die off, and everything will be back to the way it was before people know what Kony was about. This is absolutely frustrating imo.
     
  19. kevin

    kevin RAWR!

    Read on the Evening Standard newspaper on Thursday 8th March 2012 that most of the money donated were actually used for wages/travelling and other things, a small proportion only went to the actual funding towards this Kony thing itself.
     
  20. Rant:

    A few days ago, most people were not even aware of who Joseph Kony was. In a few weeks, people will forget who he is and what he's done. It's interesting that people are jumping on this Kony issue like hot cake thanks to a viral video, when the issue has been occurring for decades. Give a few weeks, the hype will die down, like it did with the Occupy Movement. I am one for hanging tyrants against human rights but I am not against, nor for Kony 2012 awareness. Those who are against or for Kony 2012, please pick up a book, learn about the issue, do some research before you blindly hop on the bandwagon... And when the social hype dies down, don't be one of the mass who will drop the issue like it never happened (like Occupy Movement). The same applies to any future viral social issues that will occur.

    Viral social media only demonstrates one thing: how incredibly susceptible people are to social media, and how powerful this tool is to create hype.

    I can't repeat it enough. People have the attention span of a 2 year old. They jump on the hype like it's the end of the world, and then forget it soon after, without contributing to the issue. It is absolutely insulting to those who have been fighting for these causes their whole lives.

    Edit: I am glad my facebook news feed no longer has Kony 2012 bullshit plastered all over it, but rather posts of people encouraging researching the issue before taking action, and thus taking Kony 2012 down a notch.

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