BBC Link It's getting very violence in this region, they better resolve this before it gets even more crazy.
And from previous examples seen of the PRC conflict resolution playbook, this is going to be a blood bath.
certain radical Uyghurs are walking on thin ice. i saw clips of women bleeding and crying. bunch of thugs attacking pedestrians, burning businesses.
China ain't gonna back down .. look at Taiwan and Hong Kong .. those two countries are very independent yet they can't break free from China so protesting and death obviously don't mean shit to the Chinese government. In fact, the Chinese even treat their own people like crap with all those human rights issues so yeah, it's communist, what do you expect from such a government.
Shut your fucking communist mouth off .. China has no right to kill anyone dumbass. If China is so good, take your fucking ass back and live there. Why the fuck did you move abroad and say shit about being Chinese patriotism.
The main problem here has always been the PRC acting like plantation masters; the Han Chinese moved in and everyone else living there is a sand nigger without recourse. Taking over administratively vis a vis sovereignty is one thing. Taking away the livelihood of the average Uighur on the street is going to foster race riots. China still hasn't learned that the proper way to co-opt a population is to give them jobs, housing, access to food, education for their children, and good health care. All the political shit would then go in the dumpster because everyone would be too busy getting on with their lives. Take away all that or not provide for it (like the Koumingtang back in '49) and what happens? The people will start talking about revolution with a focused intensity. Throw a racial distinction into it and it then becomes a race war. Just about any Chinese looking face in Xinjiang now is a target for Uighur discontent. This in fact, has been the same problem with Israel and the Palestinians; one side has all, while the other has nothing, ie it thus has nothing to lose. Hence, insurrection becomes a given. Another historic example would be apartheid South Africa. So China has to make the decision of either treating the people there well and the problem solving itself, or exterminating them off the face of the planet because the problem won't go away. Moral is, you can't ever treat a portion of your population as second class citizens and not have rebellion. Considering that the PRC itself was born from a rebellion mainly of discontent, I find it rather amazing that Zhongnanhai fails to understand this. Either way, innocents are going to suffer; both Han Chinese and Uighur. There will be no winners and the biggest loser, in fact will be the PRC government.
are you retarded? being in another country doesnt mean Chinese dont like China. learn basic logic and common sense before you spew out more garbage.
there are over 50 ethnicities and they are FINE. only Uyghurs are like this. they will REGRET attacking Han Chinese. bet on it. w/e their reason, they attacked Han Chinese indiscriminately. women, children. burning businesses. the backlash is already starting. now innocent Uyghurs will pay for it just like innocent Han bystander got their throats SLIT.
This guy gets mad at me for expressing my own view haha! These Uighurs rioters are attacking/killing innocent people...do you expect any government to just sit there? And if you like stinking turcos go and blow them a big kiss in the azz. I was from Malaysia (Malaysian Chinese) not China. You idiot!
You know, what many arguing back and forth about who did what to whom is moot. There are dead people on both sides, and I can sense by your remark ("...now innocent Uyghurs will pay for it just like innocent Han bystander got their throats SLIT") a suggestion of angry righteous retribution. This reminds me of Israeli sentiments after a Hamas missile attack kills an innocent Israeli settler, and the subsequent "punishment" of terrorism, by Israeli settlers who go on a rampage, often allowed by the IDF. But what then happens? China would have opened a can of worms like Palestine, or at the least, Northern Ireland. Racial tensions in Xinjiang is, first and foremost, a failure of PRC government policy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8137206.stm Unless the government turns back the clock on the longstanding perception of Han advancement at native Uigher expense, it is only going to continue to become more violent. Social or political problems like this is not uniquely Chinese OR Uigher. History is replete with examples that show for two separate but overlapping peoples to coexist peacefully, they must have equal sharing of power and resources. If one side garners the lion's share, there will almost always be friction that eventually leads to open warfare. Basically, the Chinese government has been for years, favored Han development and advancement at a considerable disadvantage to native minorities. It has done this to all minorities within the political borders of the PRC, but most notably in Tibet and Xinjiang.
What are you? A Chinese spy?? When you sworn into as citizen of the foreign country, you have decided to give up your "Chinese" status. You sworn to fight for your country .. based on your response, it sounded that you will help the Chinese if ever your current country attack China .. that's what we call here TRAITOR, DUMB ASS.
I don't fucking care where you're from .. the fact that you think it's okay for China to kill off certain people is unacceptable. If the Malaysian government kill ya'll Malaysian Chinese off for rioting and not fully Malaysian .. I wonder if you will say the same thing .. EXTERMINATE THOSE MALAYSIAN CHINESE . .. STUPID.
Regardless of the precipitating events that have led to this strife, the government is ultimately responsible for keeping the peace, protecting ALL lives and property. For all intents, the police cannot be seen as only protecting Han people or interests. I don't know what other clips there are on the net, but the ones that I've seen thus far suggests that the Police have their hands full. Despite having a full military presence there, Han rioters with weapons in their hands are seen walking by police with impunity. This is going to create a perception, warranted or not, that the police are favoring Hans, and allowing them to carry weapons. Such a perception would only add more fuel to conflict, as Uigher will feel compelled to arm themselves too. Actually, that idea isn't that far fetched. Simply recalling the Anti-Chinese riots in Malaysia during the end of the 1960's, one can see that it was also the perception of the imbalance of economic power that lead people to attack their neighbor. Chinese were killed because it was thought that the government favored them over indigenous ethic Malays. This lead to a controversial affirmative action policy that lasted for more than a generation, and arguably reallocated a degree of national wealth to the traditional have nots.
dual citizenship... cool ur jets m8... not every country in the world wants to throw a temper tantrum at the drop of the word "nuke"...
This is just ethnic unrest and violence (not targeting religion) probably started by accusations of rapes of Chinese girls, and stoked up further by Uyghur separatists and resentment over Han Chinese businesses in Xinjang (pictures of Uyghur rioters attacking Chinese shops and businesses is evidence of this). However to be absolutely honest if those rioters were Chinese and not Uyghurs, the authorities would probably crack down equally as hard so this isn't necessarily discrimination against the ethnic Uyghurs. On the subject of separatism, If the Uyghurs (or any Turkish supporters) think that Xinjang will become independent from China any time soon, they are sorely mistaken!! Sure some Chinese people may dislike the government over issues like political freedom, but when it comes to separatism and national integrity believe me the Chinese people are fully behind the government!! Xinjang has been a part of China for thousands of years and it will remain that way. Lastly I hope the violence dieds down soon, further violence does not benefit to anyone. RIP to the dead!
"Thousands," with the ess, meaning plural as in more than one (so at least two) thousand years, right? No. Xinjiang wasn't recognized as a part of China until the Manchu (1644-1911), which then nominally referred to it as East Turkestan or aka Chinese Turkestan. http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Myth/prehistory.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Xinjiang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_East_Turkistan_Republic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_East_Turkistan_Republic One of the major fallacies used by arguers as an adjunct to contemporary Chinese politic debate (especially for the definition of national borders) is the false perception that Chinese national history extends backwards for thousands of years; it doesn't. Whilst Chinese culture can be traced to about 5000 years, the whole of what is known as China today did not geographically exist until recent history. One has to remember that after the Tang broke apart, the land area we know as China today was balkanized into a series of disparate warring kingdoms for approximately 300 years (five dynasties, then the ten states, Song, Liao, Jin, Western Xia). Only when the entire land mass was collectively defeated and fully conquered by the invading Mongols in 1206, did it become one entity again, under the yoke of the Khans, which then referred to itself as the Yuan dynasty. They then were pushed out by a successful rebellion that resulted in the Ming. The Ming themselves also lasted about 300 years, and China again fell to outside invaders once more, Manchus who ensconced themselves under the name of the Qing. China finally removed that yoke in 1911 when it nominally became a republic, which was then overthrown in 1949, resulting in the People's Republic of China, or what we know today. Hence, the PRC only existed thus far for about 60 years. The Xinjiang area in question was rather a crossroads of hotly contested land that shifted in possession for literally thousands of years. To say that Xinjiang "...has been a part of China for thousands of years and it will remain that way." blatantly ignores history. The only thing that Chinese culture can claim for "thousands" of years, is a long line of rebellions, shifting borders and changing rulers. Perhaps the next one would be a successful uprising in the Xinjiang province, resulting in a Third East Turkistan Republic? LOL... ***Sidebar*** One of the misconceptions about Chinese history is the enduring belief that Qin Shi Huang Di (aka the first emperor) united a series of individual kingdoms and called it China, and that China has existed since then. No; while the Qin dynasty did consolidate a tremendous amount of land mass, it soon fell apart again back into a series of individual kingdoms (Han, Xin, Three Kingdoms, Barbarian States, et cetera) and was not consolidated again until the Mongols conquered the whole land mass again.
Monday, July 06, 2009 THE CIA AND RIOTING UYGHURS IN XINJIANG Some of the locals http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Khotan-mercado-chicos-d01.jpg Are the CIA and its friends trying to break up China? On 6 June 2009, we learn that about 140 people have been killed and more than 800 injured in violence in the city of Urumqi in China's Xinjiang region. (China's Xinjiang hit by violence) Relations between the Han Chinese community and the minority Muslim Uyghurs are tense. The Uyghurs, a Muslim minority from the autonomous region Xinjiang (Western China), are seeking the secession of their region "East Turkestan" from the People's Republic of China. Photo of Urumqi by Michael D. Manning, The Opposite End of China(http://china.notspecial.org/). In 2007, http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56104 had an article about China. From this we learn: 1. German foreign policy makers have held talks with Chinese separatists. The Munich based "World Uyghur Congress (WUC)" announced its president, US-based Rebiya Kadeer, was received by the German foreign ministry. Berlin has been escalating its anti-Beijing secessionist offensive. Germany - and intelligence circles - have been cultivating relations with Uyghur exiled politicians. 'Current transatlantic activities promoting anti-Chinese separatism and weakening Beijing, are based on decades of German-US cooperation.' 2. Erkin Alptekin, a Uyghur living in exile, is one of the main players and he has CIA links. Erkin Alptekin moved to Munich in 1971, where he became "Senior Policy Advisor" to the director of the US station "Radio Liberty". It was at that time that the CIA began to establish contacts to Uyghurs seeking secession. "Some, like Erkin Alptekin, who have worked for the CIA's Radio Liberty, are - in the meantime - on the forefront of the secessionist movement" writes analyst B. Raman, the former Indian government's cabinet secretary. 3. In Munich, Alptekin founded the "East Turkestan Union in Europe" in 1991; and in April 2004 he founded the "World Uyghur Congress" and became its founding president. 'From German territory, the congress is steering numerous Uyghur exile organizations around the world, of which some must be classified as being in the terrorist milieu, according to Chinese government information.' 4. The Munich based exile movement seeks to merge the Uyghur secessionist movement with the Tibetan and the Mongolian movements. It seeks to break up China. In 1985, former CIA advisor Alptekin participated in the foundation of the "Allied Committee of the Peoples of East Turkestan, Tibet and Inner Mongolia". 5. Rebiya Kadeer is continuing Alptekin's activities - and is also receiving German-US American support. Her husband works for Radio Free Asia, the Asian counterpart to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, also said to have close links to the CIA. [1] see also Language Struggle and Ethnic Europe [2] Erkin Alptekin; www.tibet10march.net/web/redner_alptekin.htm [3] B. Raman: US and Terrorism in Xinjiang; South Asia Analysis Group, Paper No. 499, 24.07.2002 [4] China Seeks Int'l Support In Counter-Terrorism; People's Daily Online 16.12.2003 [5] B. Raman: US and Terrorism in Xinjiang; South Asia Analysis Group, Paper No. 499, 24.07.2002 ~~ http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/07/cia-and-rioting-uyghurs-in-xinjiang.html Why am I not surprise that the CIA is at it again
LOL you are so dumb. are identities like Chinese American, Chinese Canadian, Korean American unknown to you??? WOW.....i dont even want to talk to somebody so dumb....ugh
