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Discussion in 'Chinese Chat' started by ralphrepo, Jun 8, 2009.

  1. ralphrepo

    ralphrepo Well-Known Member

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    The Chinese Communist Party is now going to be a part of every computer sold in China. :finey:

    In a rush? For a quick synopsis, just read the red highlighted lines.

    Far from being a democratizing agent for Chinese, the internet has proved to be a technology that has thus far been easily thwarted by the oppressive CCP. American manufacturers too, are to blame here. In their rush to obtain business at any cost, US tech is being made to serve an entity that has kept the Chinese people subjugated. Now, in a brazen next step, the party will not just monitor where people can go on the net, but what you can do with your computer as well. Government mandated spyware, and they don't even care that the world knows about it. With one stroke, the CCP has just nationalized all personal computers within China. This is exceptionally horrifying.
     
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  2. KT

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    wow, this is crazy. This is taking this internet thing a couple levels. Freaking scary..
     
  3. ab289

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    China has never and will never be known for its freedom to information. And now censoring "unhealthy information" - I'm guessing information such as how the government murdered its own people for speaking out ie Tiannmen Square?
     
  4. imo china (and other countries) is just a testing ground for the one world government that will eventually run the world, that 'new world order' that the powerful men of the world keep mentioning.
     
  5. Natsu

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    They are watching you!!!! Haha
     
  6. Sponge_bob

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    What I think is , what chinese government are doing is just only one part of the equation . The most formidable and basic reasons for these type of outcomes are because of human nature , morality and their integrity . They implemented multiple layers and filters onto the internet , and this does not stop users to stop " thinking " about pornography . In fact , there are multiple ways to get your hand dirty with pornography , such as pornographic DVD . And this step might even trigger those who are so obsessed with pornographic , with " realistic pornography " . Resulting in increase case of molesting , raping etc .

    In my opinion , in order to solve this problem , chinese government should start solving from the root of the equation , that is parenting and school-teaching . Humans born with white sheets in their mind waiting to be colored , and those color will be determined by social , politic and environment . Most importantly , it is what I pointed out just now , parenting and school teaching . Parents and teachers should play a major role in order to shape the morality of the young and coming generations .
     
  7. goofnerd

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    use ubuntu
    free and is compleet
     
  8. ralphrepo

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    It is going to be especially chilling for discussions and freedom of ideas. I'm envisioning a new host of Chinese computers that are just used for storage of 'sensitive' data, but never connected to the net at all. Info will then be transferred as needed via flash memory devices between boxes that are net enabled and those that are not.

    In the PRC, the Chinese Communist Party considers the people's thinking about democracy or the questioning of their rule, to be pornographic. This is something that they're trying to stamp out at all costs. So, in installing this "porn filter" into your computer, they're not really concerned about pornography per se, they're trying to put a listening device into your computer to spy on you.

    Seriously, this may drive a whole new wave of Linux installations in China.
     
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  9. BigM

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    Yea. Reminds me of Orwell's 1984
     
  10. mr_evolution

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    Animal Farm?
     
  11. Flames

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    Far out...it's like turning China to one huge North Korea
     
  12. BigM

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    Orwell wrote another book called "1984" - Talks about how the government watch over the citizens using these telescreens - It's where the modern day term "Big Brother" pretty much came from.
     
  13. mr_evolution

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    LoL! I just assumed Orwell = Animal Farm coz that's all I used for my supplementary text during HS
     
  14. BigM

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    ^ lol, i only know 1984 cause we're doing it as a text for english too
     
  15. BestOffer

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    china wants to be mordern; yet still having the communism within the country, they will never change
     
  16. mr_evolution

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    haha..you have english....pwned
     
  17. freshert

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    Can't you just reformat the computer and if the new OS discs will install the program, just download a older copy off the net and use your key? Or someone makes a hack to bypass this! :D Glad to live in Australia ^^,V
     
  18. ralphrepo

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    How many people in the US, Australia, UK, etc., can reformat their own hard drive? Realistically, about 2% of users. If China is in any way similar, that would mean that 98% of the population would have government pre-installed spyware on their computer with no way of getting it off. Moreover, they can't even bring it in to a store to get it fixed as that would be illegal. No one would do it for them; they're stuck.
     
  19. mobidoo

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    HAHAHAHAHAH !

    What kind of statistic is that ? 2 percent of the population knows how to reformat their hard drive ? They will be stuck ?

    Despite the censorship, the Tibetians can unite and raise a riotous rampage with CIA funding. If the people have the will, the CCCP will cease to exist overnight.

    So despite many decades of the destabalization program as spearheaded by the west to topple China, why is it still around ?

    My gosh, such horrendous assumptions.

    :p
     
  20. mobidoo

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    Dear friends,

    There are countless articles on the net about the censorship of the west. What we have is the usual case of "pot calling kettle black".

    I have also enclosed another article from another thread where it details the censorship extend as practice by some of the leading democracy of the west.

    But now for a treat. Lets have a look at the hypocrisy of it all. While the US spend millions in helping countries in promoting democratic values including the holy concept of "free" internet, lets have a look at how they have been suppressing information at their very own soil.

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    March 4, 2008
    Sidebar
    A Wave of the Watch List, and Speech Disappears

    By ADAM LIPTAK
    Steve Marshall is an English travel agent. He lives in Spain, and he sells trips to Europeans who want to go to sunny places, including Cuba. In October, about 80 of his Web sites stopped working, thanks to the United States government.
    The sites, in English, French and Spanish, had been online since 1998. Some, like www.cuba-hemingway.com, were literary. Others, like www.cuba-havanacity.com, discussed Cuban history and culture. Still others — www.ciaocuba.com and www.bonjourcuba.com — were purely commercial sites aimed at Italian and French tourists.
    “I came to work in the morning, and we had no reservations at all,” Mr. Marshall said on the phone from the Canary Islands. “We thought it was a technical problem.”
    It turned out, though, that Mr. Marshall’s Web sites had been put on a Treasury Department blacklist and, as a consequence, his American domain name registrar, eNom Inc., had disabled them. Mr. Marshall said eNom told him it did so after a call from the Treasury Department; the company, based in Bellevue, Wash., says it learned that the sites were on the blacklist through a blog.
    Either way, there is no dispute that eNom shut down Mr. Marshall’s sites without notifying him and has refused to release the domain names to him. In effect, Mr. Marshall said, eNom has taken his property and interfered with his business. He has slowly rebuilt his Web business over the last several months, and now many of the same sites operate with the suffix .net rather than .com, through a European registrar. His servers, he said, have been in the Bahamas all along.
    Mr. Marshall said he did not understand “how Web sites owned by a British national operating via a Spanish travel agency can be affected by U.S. law.” Worse, he said, “these days not even a judge is required for the U.S. government to censor online materials.”
    A Treasury spokesman, John Rankin, referred a caller to a press release issued in December 2004, almost three years before eNom acted. It said Mr. Marshall’s company had helped Americans evade restrictions on travel to Cuba and was “a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people.” It added that American companies must not only stop doing business with the company but also freeze its assets, meaning that eNom did exactly what it was legally required to do.
    Mr. Marshall said he was uninterested in American tourists. “They can’t go anyway,” he said.
    Peter L. Fitzgerald, a law professor at Stetson University in Florida who has studied the blacklist — which the Treasury calls a list of “specially designated nationals” — said its operation was quite mysterious. “There really is no explanation or standard,” he said, “for why someone gets on the list.”
    Susan Crawford, a visiting law professor at Yale and a leading authority on Internet law, said the fact that many large domain name registrars are based in the United States gives the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, or OFAC, control “over a great deal of speech — none of which may be actually hosted in the U.S., about the U.S. or conflicting with any U.S. rights.”
    “OFAC apparently has the power to order that this speech disappear,” Professor Crawford said.
    The law under which the Treasury Department is acting has an exemption, known as the Berman Amendment, which seeks to protect “information or informational materials.” Mr. Marshall’s Web sites, though ultimately commercial, would seem to qualify, and it is not clear why they appear on the list. Unlike Americans, who face significant restrictions on travel to Cuba, Europeans are free to go there, and many do. Charles S. Sims, a lawyer with Proskauer Rose in New York, said the Treasury Department might have gone too far in Mr. Marshall’s case.
    “The U.S can certainly criminalize the expenditure of money by U.S. citizens in Cuba,” Mr. Sims said, “but it doesn’t properly have any jurisdiction over foreign sites that are not targeted at the U.S. and which are lawful under foreign law.”
    Mr. Rankin, the Treasury spokesman, said Mr. Marshall was free to ask for a review of his case. “If they want to be taken off the list,” Mr. Rankin said, “they should contact us to make their case.”
    That is a problematic system, Professor Fitzgerald said. “The way to get off the list,” he said, “is to go back to the same bureaucrat who put you on.”
    Last March, the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights issued a disturbing report on the OFAC list. Its subtitle: “How a Treasury Department Terrorist Watch List Ensnares Everyday Consumers.”
    The report, by Shirin Sinnar, said that there were 6,400 names on the list and that, like no-fly lists at airports, it gave rise to endless and serious problems of mistaken identity.
    “Financial institutions, credit bureaus, charities, car dealerships, health insurers, landlords and employers,” the report said, “are now checking names against the list before they open an account, close a sale, rent an apartment or offer a job.”
    But Mr. Marshall’s case does not appear to be one of mistaken identity. The government quite specifically intended to interfere with his business.
    That, Professor Crawford said, is a scandal. “The way we communicate these days is through domain names, and the Treasury Department should not be interfering with domain names just as it does not interfere with telecommunications lines.”
    Curiously, the Treasury Department has not shut down all of Mr. Marshall’s .com sites. You can still find, for now, www.cuba-guantanamo.com.
    Online: Documents and an archive of Adam Liptak’s articles: nytimes.com/adamliptak.