Do you consider yourself Chinese, if you werent born in China but your parents were?

Discussion in 'Chinese Chat' started by dim8sum, Apr 28, 2006.

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Do you consider yourself (or someone) Chinese?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. sai

    sai Well-Known Member

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    i was born in america, but i've lived there for 3 years ago and i feel myself more chinese than the country that i was born, but my parents born in China
     
  2. tmacli

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    Of course I am Chinese. I look like it, I can speak the languages, and I have the blood of it.
     
  3. someguy

    someguy Active Member

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    it depends on the parents really... it depend on now much chinese info and chinese ideal they put into u... until you think and talk about chinese and intrested in it ^_^
     
  4. surplusletterbox

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    On the other hand, I noticed that for a white man (not a coloured person), then this white man becomes the national in which country he lives or born:-

    e.g. a white English race person in Australia becomes Australian
    a white French race person in Canada becomes Canadian
    a white German race person in USA becomes American
    a white American born in France is a French man,
    a white Italian person in Argentina is an Argentinian
    a white Portugese person in Peru is called a Peruvian

    George Bush has roots in England, he is not English. Ronald Reagan is not Irish either. The Queen of England is not German even though they came from Germany. Another twist, MacDonalds is not Scottish but is Amercian, Pizza Hut is not Italian either but is American. A vine that was in Bordeaux but transplanted to Australia does not produce French wine but Australian.

    Are asians not discriminating themselves by referring back to China? The overseas "Chinese" should be called mostly called "Tang", "Hua" or "Han" people. China is the country and the nationals of China are Chinese. Overseas "Han" people are foreigners in China and not Chinese national. An oriental looking person with USA passport is an alien in China. Likewise "Viets" or "King" race born in America are Americans just like their white brethrens in USA and are foreigners in Vietnam.

    Therefore in conclusion, to save confusion and to adopt the same naming convention as white men, overseas "Han" people are "han" race or one of the ethnic minority groups, nationalities can be Taiwanese, Amercian or French etc. E.g. A white, black, brown person born in France is a French person so why shouldn't the yellow person!
     
  5. surplusletterbox

    surplusletterbox Well-Known Member

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    Another angle to view this:-

    For example: This is a typical white person conversation for an English race person Mr. Smith (Smith is a 100% English name) born in New Zealand.

    A common person: "Hi, What is your name?"
    Mr. Smith : "My name is John Smith."
    A common person: "What nationality are you?"
    Mr. Smith : " I am New Zealander"
    .... .. indicating his legitimacy as a New Zealander.


    However for a typical oriental person who is born in New Zealand. Mr. Wong (Wong is a typical Hong Kong spelling of Huang , Wang, Oi...that appear in other places etc)

    A common person: "Hi, What is your name?"
    Mr Wong : " My name is Mr Wong"
    A common person: "What nationality are you?"
    Mr Wong : " I am New Zealander"
    A common person: " I mean where did you come from originally?"
    Mr Wong : "I came from Hong Kong but not from China!"
    .............indicating his legitimacy as a New Zealand is under challenged and is this right? And furthermore Mr. Wong is not too sure if he is a Hong Kong'er or Chinese ?!
     
  6. *momo

    *momo Well-Known Member

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    i consider myself chinese to everyone who isn't chinese, and to the people who are chinese i consider myself taiwanese...
     
  7. ralphrepo

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    When black and white people start getting born in China, essentially making them Chinese, how would people here feel about that? Are they real Chinese? Conversely, are Asians born in the US, real Americans?

    Ralph
     
  8. surplusletterbox

    surplusletterbox Well-Known Member

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    Red Indians are the natives of America. Any other immigrant to America has equal opportunity to be an American no matter the color of the skin, in theory anyway. Likewise a black person who is born in China is a Chinese person just like any one of the many ethnic race in China. China started from Middle Kingdom which is a geographical area contain the many peoples. (Analogy is Europe and Europeans.) Therefore Chinese means anyone from that region of the planet. Now of course China is a country and a passport system exists (by the way, passport system is a relatively new phenomenon , less than 100 years in human migration history since apes. The term Chinese is not a race and is not an ethnic group. It usually means someone born in China or has a Chinese passport as a Chinese national.

    Therefore overseas "Chinese" are not Chinese. You get that first hand experience when you go pass customs into China and immediately you realise that you are a foreigner and not Chinese at all! The process treats you exactly as for any other foreigner. Also anytime that you are in trouble when travelling and if you look Chinese but infact American then you will find it is the American Embassy that WILL help you and not the Chinese Embassy!

    People in Taiwan are Taiwanese and NOT Chinese. If English people can take some land in Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Australian.... and then turn into Canadians, South Africans, New Zealands and Australians... then likewise the "Chinese" people in Taiwan, Singapore,....are Taiwanese and Singaporeans. The benefit, of course, amongst many, you get more than one vote in the United Nations etc.

    In countries where many race groups exist (like China) they are called by their own race and by their own nationality. Therefore in Belgium the two race groups are Flemmish (dialect of Dutch) and Walloons (French speaking) but they are both Belgiums. In Switzerland you have the Swiss Germans, Swiss French, Swiss Italians and Romans (gypsy), they are Swiss nationals.

    In conclusion, most people in China and overseas Chinese are Han race. They are the nationals of the countries in which they reside or born but are not Chinese when one use the same consistent logic of naming convention as used by the English, Americans, French..etc.
     
  9. larlarlar

    larlarlar Well-Known Member

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    I consider myself chinese even though I was born in North America. I don't even read or write chinese too.
     
  10. dsoulreaver

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    I strongly consider myself Chinese. How proud to be? Watch the Torino 2006 Winter Olympics on the Zhangs. She still got up after a nasty ice fall.
     
  11. asiangang

    asiangang Well-Known Member

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    im chinese and proud!!!
     
  12. tallgirl888

    tallgirl888 Well-Known Member

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    What does Chinese mean anymore?
     
  13. Lazy06

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    yes I'm chinese, i can speak it, and understand, cus my parents are chinese and if you're born chinese how can you not be chiense? well unless your parents said they found you in or near a garbage can and raised you as there own child then you might not be chinese after all j/k i was told i was found in the garbage can and was born by a blk person -.- but most asian person say that to there own children i think
     
  14. ralphrepo

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    How about black or white people born in China, they're Chinese too right?

    Ralph
     
  15. Jaychouu

    Jaychouu Member

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    yes i do consider myself as chinese even if i weren't born in china
     
  16. Panda

    Panda Well-Known Member

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    Taiwanese are Chinese, there is no such thing as a "Taiwanese Nationality," all citizens of Taiwan are citizens of Zhong Hua Min Guo, the Republic of China. We Chinese have much greater unity than other people, that is why we always refer to ourselves as "Chinese people" and owe our loyalty and affinity to our Motherland China, we are a very ethnocentric people (hence the name "Zhong Guo") and cannot be compared to foreigners.

    I don't consider any foreigner (Whites, blacks, etc.), Christian, mixed breeds, traitors etc. to be Chinese, regardless where you were born.
     
  17. popoho

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    I am 100% chinese
     
  18. Powerz

    Powerz Well-Known Member

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    Being Chinese is a state of mind. Even though my parents are born in Hong Kong, and I was borned in the U.S., I still believe I am Chinese.
     
  19. ticklejule214

    ticklejule214 Member

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    yup, I'm Chinese
     
  20. AzNBaI B

    AzNBaI B Member

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    Yah I consider miself chinese even tho i was born in america =)