Dann, I would be happy if they even managed to explain some theories in their own words without quoting from the Bible... Ie, they are able to lay it down thoroughly and logically with their own reasoning. I am not too excited with the idea that there's no death BEFORE the Ultimate sin. I can't picture the Earth full of animals; T-rex peacefully chewing some leaves before Man sinned and turned some into carnivores.
LOLLLL hahahaha but scientifically speaking, the T-Rex's body structure was made for meat eating... the jaws, the neck muscles, the leg muscles... everything.. so the idea of them eating leafs is completely untrue, as we would have found either fossils of their pre-evolution herbivore state (as hiake said), or even clues that they did eat leafs... now that in itself is quite suspicious.... absolutely NO hint that t-rexs were herbivore? fishy if you ask me...
i will always use the word of God PERIOD. anyway this thread is way off track now, i have no need to argue, not everybody who reads what me and apollon writes will believe, but atleast it has been presented before you. wow were liars now........ ZOMG were is the logic in that. you obviously have a problem with biblical Christianity and those who speak it boldly...
The only problem is, even what you and apollon wrote seems to contradict each other! Not to mention, some other Christians. Are you deliberately 'skimming' here? Coz you just conveniently missed my post quoting you as claiming that God stops loving you after he sent you to Hell; Now, that's a CONTRADICTORY statement with Apollon's and someone else's, who said God NEVER stops loving you even after he sent you to Hell. Which is which?? <_<
nope. i dont lie. im purely making deductions from what i read from you and apollon. now if my understanding is flawed, thats a whole other story. but not lies. i dont have a problem with Biblical Christianity. and i agree with B-rain with the fact that you may be skimming. like i said: "I WENT TO A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL" i read the Bible just like you did what problem i have is the interpretations of the Bible as read in this thread. I love the Bible. i have nothing against it. again, its the interpretations of the Bible that i have a problem with. im going to work. good bye.
God hates sin, if you die in sin, youll be cast into the lake of fire because you are not one of his. interpret that however you want.
God hates sins. ok. Thats fine, cuz in any religion thats the idea. "I'll (me) be cast into the lake of fire?" you know what i call that sir? bull----.
when i typed were i thought it would be enough to indicate i was talking about me an apollon. if i said your liares then....... nevermind. ok
Lol, I am being ignored here... At least, have the courtesy to acknowledge YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER when someone's addressing it to you MASTER_G So, who's right here?! Apparently both YOU AND APOLLON claim to be Christians. So now, Does God stop loving you after he sent you to Hell?
babyrain, for you lets just say im being vague to escape my shame. whatever makes you happy. i think ill come back later cus i feel like im talking to someone rather young
Really? "And when they went I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters...: Ezekiel 1:24 "And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber (Chashmal, 2830, Polished Bronze, between Gold and Brass), out of the midst of fire." Ezekiel 1:4. "These were more fair minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the scriptures daily to find out whether things were so. Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men." Acts 17: 11-12. "There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days and ALSO after..." Genesis 6:4 "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be." Matthew 24:37 "That was also regarded as a land of giants, giants formerly dwelt there. but the Ammonites call them the Zamzumin, a people as great and numerous and tall as the Anakim. But the Lord destroyed them before them, and they dispossessed them and dwelt in their place..." Deuteronomy 2:20-21 UFO Statistics UFO investigator Allen Hynek estimated that on average of about 100 UFO sightings are reported around the globe each night. In the US, these reports have come from all 50 states but tend to cluster in the northeastern and southwestern US. Most of the reports come from rural areas, small towns, and near military installations. UFO sightings are not restricted to just the United States and Europe but represent a worldwide phenomena. Approximately, one person in 10 in the U.S. claims to have seen a UFO but in Russia, it is as high as 7 out of 10. Since many cases go unreported, the real numbers are likely to be much higher. Close Encounters of the First Kind – UFO sighted at close range (within 500 feet): At least 700,000 reported examples in the US (as counted by Allen Hynek). Estimated 10-20 million worldwide reports since WWII. Close Encounters of the Second Kind – UFO leaves physical effects on the environment At least 800 documented cases in the US (as counted by Allen Hynek). Close Encounters of the Third Kind – Visual contact with UFO occupants At least 1,000 documented cases in the US (as counted by Allen Hynek). There is estimated to be as many as 50,000 cases in the US since World War II. Further Resources: Allen Hendry, The UFO Handbook: A Guide to Investigating, Evaluating, and Reporting UFO Sightings, Doubleday/Dolphin Books, 1979. Philip J. Klass, “A Field Guide to UFOs,” Astronomy, September 1997, p. 31-35. Kenneth Samples, “Alien Encounters Fail the Test,” Facts For Faith (Q2 2001), p. 53-59. Hugh Ross, Kenneth Samples, and Mark Clark, Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men, NavPress, Colorado Springs, CO 2002. --, “The RUFO Hypothesis,” videotape available from Reasons To Believe. Hugh Ross, “Aliens From Another World? Getting Here From There,”Facts For Faith (Q2 2001), p. 24-32. S. Shostak, “Getting in Touch with ETI,” Cosmic Pursuit, Spring 1999, p. 8-15, 54-56. D. Wilkinson, Alone in the Universe? InterVarsity Press, Downers Grove, IL 1997. --, “Some Alien Problems for God?,” Cosmic Pursuit, Spring 1999, p. 28-33, 63-64. Now, according to apollon, first-account witnessed events in a large number are usually true? So are the Christians denying the existence of U.F.O's vehemently even though there are such a huge number of sightings which are recorded in this modern day; BUT willingly believe every word written in the Bible which are mostly first-account witnessed events too?
Lmao, Master_g. I asked a simple question, and you chose to evade it. I asked you why are you contradicting yourself with apollon's version of God 'still loving you or stopped loving' you after He sent you to Hell. Yet, you cannot give me an answer. No reason to start insulting someone when you realized you have made a fool of yourself, am I right? Now, the sentiment is being shared. I feel like i'm talking to someone ignorant and evasive. <_<
Before Adam and Eve were expelled from paradise, museum visitors are told, all of the dinosaurs were peaceable plant-eaters. The evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives “green herb” to every creature to eat. There were no predators. T-Rex had such big teeth, the museum explains, so it could open coconuts. Only after Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of paradise did the dinosaurs start to eat flesh. And Adam’s sin is a key component of the belief system, for in the eyes of many creationists, in order for Jesus’ death to be meaningful it had to atone for Adam’s first sin. The danger of creationism is that, like the pseudo-science of Nazi eugenics, it allows facts to be accepted or discarded according to the dictates of a preordained ideology. Creationism removes the follower from the rational, reality-based world. Signs, miracles and wonders occur not only in the daily life of Christians but in history, science, medicine and logic. The belief system becomes the basis to understand the world. Random facts and data are collected and made to fit into this belief system or discarded. When facts are treated as if they were opinions, when there is no universal standard to determine truth, in law, in science, in scholarship, or in the reporting of the events of the day, the world becomes a place where people can believe what they want to believe, where there is no possibility of reaching any conclusion not predetermined by those who interpret the official, divinely inspired text. This is the goal of creationists. And yet, coming from the modern age, these Christo-fascists cannot discount science. They employ jargon, methods and data that appear to be science, to make an argument for creationism. They have created parallel research and scholarly institutions. They pump out articles in self-published journals to provide “evidence” that homosexuals can be cured, that global warming is a myth, that abortion can cause breast cancer, that something they call “post-abortion syndrome” leads to deep depression and suicide and that abstinence-only education is an effective form of birth control. This pseudo-science has seeped into the public debate. It is disseminated by nervous and timid media anxious to give both sides in every argument. Those who have contempt for facts and truth, for honest research and inquiry, are given the same platform by the press as those who deal in a world of reality, fact and rationality. The movement desperately needs the imprint of science to legitimize itself. It achieves this imprint by discrediting real science and claiming creationist science as true science. All attempts to argue the creationists out of their mythical belief, to persuade them with logic, evidence, scientific inquiry and fact, will fail. They have created a “fundamentalist science.” They know they cannot return to the pre-Darwinian innocence that let them believe the Bible alone was enough. They need, in the midst of their flight from reality, to reassure their followers that science, science not contaminated by secular humanists and nonbelievers, is on their side. In this they are a distinctly modern movement. They seek the imprint of science and scholarship to legitimize myth. This is a characteristic they share with all modern totalitarian movements, which co-opt the disciplines of law, science, medicine and scholarship to give a modern veneer to their primitive and superstitious belief systems, systems that allow the rulers to dictate reality and truth. The “paraprofessional” organizations formed by the Christian right, organizations of teachers, journalists, doctors, lawyers and scientists, mimic the activities of real professional groups. They seek to challenge the legitimacy and the power of the traditional organizations. The duplication of the structures and methods employed by the non-totalitarian world, the use of pseudo-science to dress up fantasy, is slowly undermining our legitimate scientific and educational institutions. It is destroying the foundations of our open society. It is ushering us into a world where lies are true. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070326_a_world_where_lies_are_true/
Exactly, I don't know what you are getting at. First you claim, "You DIE because you are separated from God". Then in the next line, you claim,"we will ALL will LIVE forever regardless of whether you believe in God or not." So I am confused. Shed some light here.
i was talking about eternal death, damnation, hell. in hell you never find death hence you live forever. if you cant understand then thats fine, we can just wait and see, will it be heaven and hell or will it be planes of existence, halls of memory and over selves...... physical death will tell.
It's Ok master_g... seems that from ALL of my long posts addressed to you, this is the best you can come up with? Choosing conveniently to ignore the rest of them without a courtesy of acknowledging you can't answer them. Oh well. I have already given up.
