If Jesus really died for our sins...

Discussion in 'Philosophy & Religion' started by drsnoopy, May 21, 2007.

  1. apollon

    apollon Well-Known Member

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    Correct. The original intent for Hell was for Satan and minions. Unable to leave or escape would be an appropriate assumption, since if Hell was only temporary. Jesus Christ wouldn’t have preached it pain and suffrage so greatly throughout his time on earth. Jesus Christ spoke of Hell more than anything else in the Bible, simply b/c he didn’t want ppl to go there. It isn’t pleasant nor it is suitable for us.

    The idea behind God forgiving Satan is not for me to comprehend. It is between God and Satan.

    Today, the question of God exist. However, that claim ddin't exist when Jesus Christ was on earth. The main problem for the Christian back then was if he was able to forgive our sins and transgressions. A common debate even up to today. Actually it was quite foolish to think that there wasn’t a God. Most ppl in those day and era believed in one – and it was obvious to them that there should be one.

    I see your point. I contradict myself. Ok. However, truthfully in my mind I did think that you were referring to me. But it was my fault – for I didn’t fully understand the statement made.

    You demand me apologize to you. Fine. I’m sorry, BabyRain, I made a mistake. Feel better now?


    And no I wasn’t lying b/c it was an honest mistaken in reading with the response. We all can’t be as quick-witted and well-endowed with English like you, BabyRain. Some of us do make mistakes when it comes to reading English.

    Now on the issues of lying. You make the statement “Aren't you Christians NOT supposed to lie? Hmm.” Rite, Christians are taught not to lie. For crying out loud, everyone is told not to lie. However, it is still done. Yes. Now that brings in the idea of God’s forgiveness. Even though, we know we are not suppose to do and then “accidentally” or sometimes purposely do it … God is still to able forgive us every time.

    Was that needed to be said? … take some of your advice.

    That is why Christians are out there risking their lives to preach the Gospel. I have the luxury to tell the gospel in a comfortable, relaxing, “laptop on my desk” kinda of way. However, there are many, many Christians out there, who are persecuted and threaten with their lives and still they preach and try to tell the gospel to everyone. Telling the path to Christ isn’t to make us look good and proud. If a missionary or Christian viewed showing ppl the way to Christ as a method to get an “upper-hand” when they die. That is almost as bad as not believing in the first place – and they will be stop eventually, b/c their relationship with Christ is halted and God doesn’t help those who only want to help themselves. The objection for preaching the word of God and the salvation of Christ is that we as Christian don’t want to see ppl going to Hell. So we try our best to explain, understand, and tell about Heaven, Hell, God, and our relationship with Christ.

    Bear in mind, that we understand that believing in Christ isn’t an overnight phenomena. Some takes times to fully grasp Christianity, and I myself haven’t got there yet.

    continue below ...
     
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  2. BabyRain

    BabyRain Doppelgänger of da E.Twin

    Now; from these statements; I can safely draw the conclusion from YOUR interpretations that:

    1) One does not have to do good deeds BEFORE they believed in Jesus.

    2) Even if one does good deeds BEFORE they believed in Jesus; those were not taken into account.

    Now, let's say for example; the baddest bad-ass you can get to know in your entire life; just right before his dying breath; or let's say ONE day or so, before his death; he SINCERELY REPENTED and BELIEVES in Jesus. Does that count?

    My next question: How is that bad-ass going to be doing good if he's about to die?

    So, in other words; it seems to me that Christianity is simply a religion which claims one is able to go to Heaven and be with God; as long as one is able to repent and believes in him RIGHT BEFORE dying; no matter how many bad deeds and sins he had committed, correct?

    Or is there a 'time frame' stated in the Bible; ie if you were previously a bad guy who sinned a lot, you have to do a number of good deeds AFTER you embraced Christianity?

    If there isn't any, I am sorry to say, I just find this religion simply unbelievable because they can easily condemn all the non-believers to Hell IRREGARDLESS of whether they did good/bad deeds; whilst they have no problems accepting BAD GUYS into Heaven the moment they claimed to believe in Christianity.

     
  3. p3ps1c0la

    p3ps1c0la Well-Known Member

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    Forgive me for intruding but I think passion is what makes a debate a great debate. All in moderation of course, and with that said I think she was reasonable with her responses. Anyway, she can defend herself so I'll shut it.
     
  4. BabyRain

    BabyRain Doppelgänger of da E.Twin

    Wow, NOW NOW APOLLON. That's the problem with SKIMMING.

    You are disappointed in me? Lmao. I am equally; if not more, DISAPPOINTED in both you and your Brother.

    Firstly; you Created a New Lie to cover your mistake.

    Secondly; your brother PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

    Now would you be pleased if I said, "In Apollon's words, there's NO Hell or Heaven. God does NOT exist".

    Would YOU?

    Coz seriously, that's exactly what MASTER_G did. He gave a totally FALSE statement on Buddhism and CLAIMED it to be IN MY WORDS. How would you feel about that?

    And finally, didn't you react with EQUAL INDIGNATION when you THOUGHT i was referring to you; but instead I was quoting master_g??? (Everyone, see post #214)

    But no, instead of apologizing; you go a step further. You created another lie.

    And then, your brother came and did the exact same thing.

    He made a false statement on Buddhism claiming it to be from YOURS TRULY.

    Then; he made an EDIT statement which was equally FALSE as well, and AGAIN, claiming it to be from BabyRain. (everyone, see post #251 and #254)

    Enuff said. Everyone else (except these two ignorant ones) can be the judge.

    I give respect where it is DUE. If you made a mistake, be a man and own up to it. It wouldn't hurt you to type, "I AM SORRY". But instead; you two had to beat around the bush. Sorry, my impression of you both just went down the drain.

    Funnily that these two do not even practice their own belief, "LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR" and yet they try to tell me how to act?

    And please, apollo, quit it with the MATURITY thing. You are just a baby if you can't own up to ur own mistakes and apologize for them.

    You are equally as childish when you make a blinded statement siding your master_g.
     
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  5. BabyRain

    BabyRain Doppelgänger of da E.Twin


    5. Instead of apologizing for their mistakes, they accuse you of being emotional and immatured whilst it is perfectly ok for them to be so.
     
  6. apollon

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    i editted my post from above --

    First of all, I’m not catholic, so I don’t know why hilter wasn’t excommunicated. But that isn’t the point. Hilter wasn’t a Christian. If being a Christian is so superficial like joining a “club” – I don’t want to be a Christian.

    However, it isn’t. it is much deeper than just believing in the what the Bible says and what the world labels you. It is experiencing Christ in your life. Most Christian today are willing to give testimony on why they believe. And like them, I myself, believe in this religion not only b/c of its moralistic view, but a personally connection, as well.

    This was highly presumptuous of you. You didn’t even give me the chance to explain myself – you have already condemn me of being a liar and reluctant to apologize. lol.

    Where’s dann and hiake? Do I apologize when I make mistake? He can testifies for me and also hiake – that I do admit to my mistakes, and I do apologize for them.

    BabyRain, I want an apology. lol. j/k.

    Faith only is enough to secure salvation. That is what’s so nice about Christianity and Christ. When you truly believe in Christ (this is the notion of faith), the eagerness and wiliness to be kind, helpful, and do good will come hand-in-hand. You will want to do good and be good. A form of transform from a non-Christian to a Christian.

    Now, here’s an example –
    I personally picture my Heavenly Father (God) like a real father to me. I was fortunate to have very loving and strong patriarchal figure to grow up around. Therefore, when I did my homework, study my examinations, was nice to my brothers and sisters, and did well with my athletic sports. I kind of did it with the mind-set of wanting to make my father proud of me. Now, Christianity can parallel (at least for myself) with this analogy. When you become a Christian “a bit” (some people more and some ppl less) of your motivation is to please God.
    Now, there are other motivation, as well. However, the notion of good deeds and wanting to do good deeds is also important for a Christian. For when you truly believe, you will be able to see your faults and sins and that is when the Holy Spirit comes to you. You will want to repent for your sins and faults. Now, can’t a Christian still do bad things after he/she truly believe? Yes. However, b/c you have truly believe and has the holy spirit within you … each time you make a mistake or sin. You will want to repent and ask for forgiveness. And will also want to make amends to the ppl you hurt.
     
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  7. apollon

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    Right, the spirit (or soul, whatever you want to call it) does not die. Okay, I must first say – that my following statements are of my own interpretations and views. I may be wrong and I may be right. But please read with caution. A death for a spiritual sense is bit like a physical death. In a physical death, the physical body is unable to function. Therefore, in the same sense, a spiritual death is us having no spiritual bodily functions. Does it mean that we cannot full move in this spiritual life? No, it just means that our spiritual body is not able to fully grasp the notion of having a spiritual life.

    Now, a spiritual death is a thing of the past. Everyone is given a spiritual life, whether they believe in Christ or not. However, those we have placed their Christ with be able to spend their eternally with their spiritual life in the presence of God. And unfortunately, those who refuses Christ will spend eternally with their new spiritual life in Hell.
     
  8. apollon

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    Well, we are all God’s ppl. However, the Jews were ppl chosen by God. IMO, the reason why God single out a nation is b/c in the future, when Christianity is bought out. We can view God’s relationship with the Hebrew nation as a relationship between God and us. In my study, I can related to the aspect of a Father teaching and tending to his child (our God and Israel, respectively). And in that sense, now with Christ, we are able to have that relationship on a personal purpose.

    Incorrect. This type of analogy is so commonly used against Christian. However, imo that bad-ass doesn’t receive salvation.

    God isn’t stupid. Just b/c a person say something doesn’t mean they believe it. To truly believe in a religion is only known between that person and God. No one else will know. Therefore, to us it may seem that they are repentive and believing in Christ. However, if they don’t truly believe, with their heart and mind that Christ is the Savior. He is the same as a non-believer.

    I see haike’s point, that Christianity may seem narrow with all this requirements to faith. However, I do believe there are many ppl that are saved and are living in heaven today. There are ppl in the catholic sect, and ppl in the protestant sect in heaven. b/c if you truly believe in Christ – you will go to heaven. It’s that simple. And whether you truly believe or not, is not for me to decide or comment, simply b/c I can’t. it is between you and God.
     
  9. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    How can you be certain that Hitler did not have a connection with God? While I understand Catholicism is different from Christianity, I would say Hitler is quite favourable to Christianity (beside the killing all the Jews part). Egocentricism is like a staple word in Christianity, because those who are of the faith are ALWAYS righteous, well, one wrong move and one can totally follow Hitler's footstep in the name of religion. If it hadn't happen already.

    Just a slightly OT question: so I am getting the feeling that it's the "connection" to God, or faith, that defines a Christian? THEN the whole good deed and moral comes in right? Hitler could have a connection with God (which nobody can quite prove or disprove, as per the case of anyone who claim to have a connection with God). So we judge him on moralistic ground. That's fine. But besides the "killing all the Jews" who are supposedly God's people part, I don't quite see how much more intolerant Hitler's reign is than Christianity. Just that he decided to take matter in his own hand, helping out God.

    Somehow God is not judged by the moralistic ground because he's God, thus condemning non-believers and sinners to burn in hell eternally is not ruthless inhumanity?

    WOW, that's one twisted view.

    Wow, so you attribute all kindness and good to Christianity and God? I am offended. I live a perfectly kind life, and as far as I know I do not sin, besides the obvious fact that I do not believe in God. Yet somehow I am still morally more bankrupt to any given Christians BECAUSE I do not believe in God.

    And sorry to burst your bubble, not all Christians are kind or nice. I've met WAY more kind and nice non-Christians, percentage wise (just so you don't go "well you only know like a handful of Christians), than kind and nice Christians. Most Christians always leave the room saying "I wish you eternal hell", now that's some etiquette.

    Well, now we get onto the "truly believe" vs. "nominally believe" bit. So God's like a tax inspector who checks on Christians (coz non-Christians go straight to hell) and see if you've done nice and pay your due, if yes, great, Heaven welcomes you.

    Again, by my definition, not everyone repent. And repent means NOTHING if the wrong is commited repeatedly, even though apparently rehabilitated are worth its weight in gold, only humans are so silly to think that rehabilitation is possible on people who commit the same wrong repeatedly "if their faith is strong"

    Hmmm, I guess there's some hidden genius at work here as tax inspector is one of the most hated figure in the country.

    Before I conclude this post, I would like to point out another peeves of mine against Christianity: everything well done is attributed to God and everything gone wrong is human or evils at work. Really, if a Christian pray to achieve high marks, studied well, and end up getting good mark, it's God's blessing (but not because they studied), but if it end up failing, it's not enough praying or not study enough.

    It's just annoying that the religion contribute everything good to this apparently not all-loving God while condemning human failure on humans and evils.
     
  10. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    Okay, I am reading with caution here. My first question: do you mean that there are 2 planes of human beings? Physical and spiritual?

    Okay we got that down.

    Second question: Who give those condemned in hell the new spiritual life? I don't think you've mention it in your posts so far.

    Third question: Does that mean EVERYONE, Christians (destined for Heaven) and non-Christian/bad Christians (destined for Hell) alike, goes through spiritual death at the point when they experience physical death?

    Mind you, I am taking your interpretation with a grain of salt here as it is YOUR version. I am ASSUMING that you are right in your interpretation.
     
  11. BabyRain

    BabyRain Doppelgänger of da E.Twin

    Show me a paragraph in the Bible that says NOT EVERYONE who repents and believes in Jesus shall be saved. It also depends on how good/bad they are in the first place.
    Well, to me; your logic seems to contradict your earlier post... ie.

    So let me get this right, earlier on YOU CLAIM that DOING GOOD HAS NOTHING TO DO with receiving salvation.

    Then now you CLAIM that DOING BAD will ensure you not receiving salvation.

    So; which is which? Because logically, if doing bad deeds will ensure you NOT receiving salvation, then one MUST do good deeds right?

    However, you just told me that DOING GOOD HAS NOTHING TO DO with receiving salvation.

    Anyone else see MY logic?

    P/s: Are you going to address MY POSTS below:
    #269, #276, #278

    coz seems to me you just CONVENIENTLY jumped to my post #282.
     
  12. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    How (and why, for that matter) did God CHOSE the Jews? Any explanation for that?

    To me, it just seems like God is very Israel-centric deity. I can comprehend your view that the relationship between God and Israel is like father and son. However, when did he extended his invitation to non-Israelis?

    Just because the missionaries traveled to spread their "Holy word" of God far and wide does not mean that God himself extended the invitation to Heaven everyone who believes in him and did good.

    Well, this argument is very well addressed, repeatedly at that as well. Would you care to address another point instead of dwelling on something that is already as resolved as it can possibly get?

    Not HAIKE.

    Well, it's one thing to believe personally. It's quite another to refute any other possibilities. Did God specifically said that Christianity is the ONLY way? He said that human cannot get to heaven on his own, didn't quite address the other religions now did he?

    And if you were to pull the "false idol" from me, consider the fact that Christianity itself is filled with their share of false idol, so which sect of Christianity is the true idol? I would like to see some authoritative reference in that. Just because one believe claim another sect is untrue does not make it so, especially when the believer is protecting the interest of his own sect.

    Apollon and master_g, you can say all you want about Jenovah's Witness and other so-called untrue Christianity, but before you can give me a reasonably reliable source where someone of THAT sect declare it to be untrue, those of other sect, and other faiths, are no different than the two of you defending Christianity.

    Because you don't want to believe that you are not going to Heaven because your religion is untrue, you INSIST it is true.

    And please, address BR's posts. Do not feign ignorance of her earlier posts with valid arguments just because she got emotional later on. It is indicative of your inability to address her points, which does nothing to your credibility.
     
  13. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    I was doing some spring cleaning when I came across a well read copy of a very loved book of mine. And I found this amusing quote:

    It's my own crude translation of a quote from contemporary Chinese philosopher Tien Ming Lee, he engaged in a public debate with renowned theologist Michael Horner in Hong Kong a long time back. I enjoy reading his writings enormously.

    In all, the weakest link to the claim that God exist is that "the proof by which God exist is a tautology aka circular reasoning"

    Logically, the Bible claim that God exist, and the Bible is undoubtedly true because it contain God's word.

    However, when Bible's autheticity in containing SOLELY God's word is in debate, the above logic does not make sense. Because one cannot be certain, logically, that the bits that affirms God's existence are truthful and reflective of this hypothetical God's word.

    If God does not exist, the Bible is just a collection of moral lessons with an overarching theme of a fictional characters which does not exist. Which is fine as well, I do enjoy the fable immensely.

    I never referenced any points from Lee Tien Ming in this forum before because I don't think Christians appreaciate having their bubble burst within a minutes. But I just cannot help but get this quote out there, since I was very impressed by the articulate words.
     
  14. apollon

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    you are correct. i can not prove that hilter did not have a connection with God. however, we can view his life and his ideals with other Christians and perceive if his relationship with God did exist.

    b/c living a Christian is more than just words ... they are actions, as well.

    i don't see how that is helping out God?

    no no no. you misunderstood me. i thought you understood my views on being a "good" citizen.

    but let me clearer. christianity is not needed to be a good person, per se. i believe another with common sense can be a good, helpful individual without belief in any religion.

    my points was that "good works" do not grant entrance enter Heaven.

    i can't agree more. so we try our best to do good in this world and repent for our wrongs and try our best to correct those wrongs. and yes, there are times that we stumble and fall. but God is able to pull us up again and therefore allows us until we die to better ourselves and live with repentance.
     
  15. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    He is helping out the work load of God, burning them homosexuals and Jews (because they wear the Star of David instead of a Cross). It is killing, but it's for God's cause!

    /sarcasm

    You see how ridiculous God's judgement is? And unconditional love my *beep*.

    In fact I understand you perfectly well, I am just pointing out how false the "unconditional" love God has is. He proclaim we shall do good, but somehow he placed faith before doing good in not being condemned.

    I guess the joke is lost on you, but no matter. It is exactly this attitude I am having problem with: Christianity attribute everything going wrong to be human and evil doing, and everything good to be God's power.

    I can understand the part where God can do no wrong, but since I already questioned how totally untrue the "unconditional" love he has is, I doubt he'll lend one a hand in overcoming obstacle one encounters in life.
     
  16. i shall add another.

    6. Their constant source of support are stories from the Bible. No credible sources from either university databases, or rather, no other sources. period.
     
  17. the heat is off now eh.....

    oh btw brain (im calling you brain now cuz im sick of typing the hyphen haha)

    youve just basically repeated everything i said when these buddies here contradicted themselves countlessly :p
     
  18. mgfcortez

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    well i hate to post with all this going on.lol
    frist of all i want everyone to know i'm not here to convert you!
    i'm a Christian it's ture and *I* may beleve that Christ is the only way.
    that doesn't mean i'm going to try to tell you to beleve that.
    i'll tell you what i think and if and only if you want me to!
    ask me what you want,i may have to read up becuase i don't rember ever vers by heart:p
    but in the end you don't have to beleve this way,we can still be friend's:)

    apollon and master_g you two realy should know better posting the stuff you do.
    do you think your doing God's work by making ppl mad and think all Christian think there better then everybody else??
    you should tread carefuly when your trying to plant a seed.

    and if the ground is too hard,or it doesn't take.
    God tell's us to let it be,so don't try to push you way of think on them.
    i know you two mean good,but it's not being takin that way.lol
    and you have to over look what ppl say,rember the vers turn the other cheek??
    this is what it was talking about,if you try to teach someone something out of the bible and they hit you you turn the other cheek.

    becuase you brobly unload to much on them at one time,and they couldn't handle it.
    so it's best to learn to not just stomp all over other ppl's beleve's when your trying to tell them about your's.
    becuase if you tell them and even if that seed doesn't grow then.
    if your nice and handle it right a year down the road they may come around to you way of thinking on there own.

    but if they rember you acting like a ass they may never even think about it.lol
    get what i'm saying??
    alot of us Christian's try to hard,and have the love in there heart trying to help someone.

    but you need to understand that if they don't want to convert don't try telling them there going to hell to scare them into it.
    are you God?? you can't judge if there going to hell or not.
    and you read the post's on The Concept of REINCARNATION.
    and you missed quoted her two time's saying she said that.lol
    wich show's you didn't read it.lol

    so there she's mad becuase you didn't rember about her beleve and said something she didn't.
    so she brobly won't hear anything you say now.
    so if someone does convert her it won't be you,see what i mean?
    i'm not ragging on you just think about what i said and try to find a softer way to plant seed's;)

    as for Christian's there so meny set's and branch's in the beleve.
    what i call a Christian may not be the same thing apollon and master_g call one.
    i read from the bible nothing else i don't go to church becuase i don't feel the word is being teached in most church's.
    to meny ppl puting there own beleve's in there.

    well now to say what i was asked here to say:p
    i don't beleve that ppl who don't beleve in Christ will go to hell.
    after the 7 seal there's a 1000 year's with God this is a time of teaching mostly for ppl who didn't beleve in this world age.
    there so meny fake christian's and ppl who miss lead ppl for money and all other thing's in this world.

    there's no way God is going to send his children to hell just becuase most don't know about him,some never had a chance to know him.
    what kind of god would do that??
    not mine i know.lol

    God give's his children every chance to love him,and don't want to send no one to hell.
    but for the good of his children some must go to hell,becuase they want to.
    would you want someone in heven that love's to rape lil kid's??
    that would cause all kind of bad thing's and try to hurt others??
    no them ppl who won't change and love God even after seeing him.
    they need to be done away with,for the good of the famly.

    like someone said why can't the devil be forgivin please.
    you don't think God didn't try to give him a chance he still think's he's better then God.
    and he will do anything to hurt God,and the only thing that hurt's God is hurting his ppl
    when he has to send them to hell.
    that's one reson why Christ died on the cross.IMO

    so he could honestly say.
    you did it to me so here you go.
    also it's the frist thing God said in gens to the devil:you'll bruse his hill but he'll bruse you head.
    so the devil got to bruse Christ hill's and hand's when he was on the cross.
    but in the end Christ will bruse his head mean kill him.

    but back to hell,when you die you go to heven who ever you are.
    bad good whatever you go to heven,there's two side's like in lasrit and the rich man story Christ told.
    the rich guy was on the bad side and can't get to the good side.
    this is not hell no demon's poking you or fire.
    this is like a holding cell i guess,it let's you know you didn't make it.

    but it doesn't mean your going to hell,becuase at the end of this age the 2nd earth age.
    they's the 1000 years where all the ppl who made it befor will teach the ppl that didn't make it.
    this isn't realy a 2nd chance becuase most ppl don't have a chance in the frist place.
    so nobody die yet the 2nd death not even the devil becuase he's let out of the the pit to temped the one's who haven't made it

    after that if you pick the wrong side you go to hell the meaning in the bible for the word hell.
    is two thing's most time's it's eather traslate into grave or gahena a name of a place that was a trash pit that they burned trash there day and night.
    as God put it to the devil he said you'll turn to ash's from with in.
    so i beleve hell is not a fire where you burn forever but are bloted out the 2nd death.

    and God can hate ppl it said it in the bible that God hated esaw.
    so anybody he send's to hell i beleve he hate's,after all he went thro alot to try to save you by this time.
    if you still plan to do wrong he'll let you go with the rest of the bad ppl.
    just look at it the way you would look at your lover.
    would you let them dog you out?? let them sleep with someone else and not kick them out?
    well that's what God look's at you bowing to other god's.
    like your cheating on him,and treating him bad.

    i don't rember if they was anything else i was going to say.lol
    but as for disable ppl God don't make ppl like that,it's not God's falt.
    it's us human's that has trashed up this world with out gas cars and other thing's.
    plus God might let someone be born disable to be a greater witness.
    it's very power when you see someone who's disable and instead of them cursing God.
    they should they have fath in him and keep on going that's a better witness then me or another Christian that hasn't got any disable's.

    baby's that die at birth,all God's children must come thro the flesh once.
    maybe there one of the one's that didn't folow the devil in the frist earth age.
    so he/she already passed this life's test becuase he never turn his back on God.
    so he don't have to come down here and go thro this life.
    to pick God or the devil,becuase God want's our love but love come's from each one of us only by us giving it.
    that's why God let's us do good or bad free will.
    if he just made us do what he wanted it wouldn't be ture love.

    like ppl say if there's a God why does bad thing's happen.
    how can this guy kill someone or this guy rape a lil kid.
    free will,but God tell's us how to deal with these ppl.
    it said to kill them in front of everybod where other will see and these thing will stop happening.
    but we let them go where they can rape more kid's.
    and other sick ppl see it and say if i get locked up it'll only be for 8 month's or something.
    so they do it to,when if we did what it said to do we wouldn't be puting up with that.

    somebody said Christian is only 2000 years old,well Christ died on the cross but it's much older than 2000 years old.
    plus i know alot of you hear these ppl who don't read the bible right say the world is 6000 years old.
    the bible don't say that,here look at my post and i say a lil bit about it there.
    plus you can see a link in that post to a church i like,that teach's the same thing if you want.
    but thats up to you,not trying to push my beleve on you,just if you want;)

    http://www.dramasian.com/forum/showthread.php?p=290318#post290318

    but thats it for now,i'll get deeper into thing's if ppl want me too,if not be cool:)
    rember these are the way i beleve,i'm not trying to make anybody beleve my way.
    beleve what you want becuase we all have to be judged in the end by what we picked.
    so don't just go by what any man said's about anything,that go's for whatever you beleve not just us Christian whatever your fath is too!
    best way to learn anything if you want to know is read;)
    take care and be cool:)
     
  19. mgfcortez, i want to extend my full thanks to you.

    you have cleared up MUCH of the confusing issues for me, and you believe what i would have believed if i was christian at my christian school.

    you think JUST like how my christian friends think, and i want to thank you for representing my friends because they dont have accounts on PA.

    your beliefs and interpretations of christianity there are MUCH MORE familiar to me.

    you are doing good by clearing up, and ceasing this unnecessary battle. thank you again.
     
  20. i want to post something but i couldnt find the correct thread for it....

    firstly, i would like to say that my version of buddhism is quite different from others..

    see, i do believe that all religions, whether its christianity, buddhism (which is a way of life btw) muslim, hindu, or anything else for that matter, are similar, or equivalent.

    using three as examples, christianity, buddhism and muslim, i want to try and explain those similarities..

    first i would like to talk about masters.

    masters are those who have mastered their powers, such masters are Jesus, Buddha, and Prophet Mohamed (pardon my spelling).

    they each did great things with their powers.

    if you have noticed, they each represent one region of the world.

    Jesus for the Europe and west asia, Prophet Mohamed for Middle East, and Buddha for the East.

    each of those regions are generally represented by their own religions, Christianity, Muslim, and Buddhism respectfully.

    we are basically fighting over which master is better... which is false because each aster has his/her own specialty.

    the next similarity i believe is God. In christianlity, they believe in God. in Muslim, they believe in Alah. in Buddhism, altho they believe in Buddha, they have a higher being that are less spoken of, and we can assume that being is God again.

    I believe all those Gods are referring to one God, and that one God is aboce the many masters, such as Jesus, Prophet Mohamed and Buddha.

    i think ill stop at that for today..