i can live with that in respect of what were talking about, Praise and Respect show little difference. now hopefully the discussions on this post can move on.
if he meant it specifically THAT way, he should say it THAT way. and i'll look up some scripture's and post it when i get time. i'll start with my believe about not going to hell,because you ask for some in the other post and because i'm not a Christian because i believe that way to some ppl -bash yeah maybe i should ask forgiveness. but i never said i didn't sin.lol
Wait a minute, THAT'S Apollon's statement. How do you know HE meant that? Do you two think alike? I like the fact that you two are trying hard to cover each other's asses. LOL. From what I understood in that statement, he's saying mgfcortez does not believe Christ is the salvation, as simple as that. Now if you are gonna justify it that way, I don't believe that's even appropriate. Something as serious as that , should be MADE CLEAR in the first post. If that's what APOLLON meant, then HE should have made it clear. Besides, APOLLON got all technical on me with that sig quoting thing, that I don't read essays issue. And that, is much lesser importance than this. He's making a claim on someone's beliefs, if he wants to make an exception his claim, then he should have MADE IT CLEAR in that first post itself! By him simply saying, Mgfcortez doesn't believe Christ is the salvation, that alone, the simplicity of it, makes the rest of us think that mgfcortez doesn't believe Christ is the salvation. How would the rest of us, non-believers know that you have different exceptions to it if you don't make it clear in your first post?? ANYONE could come up with a misquote then, and justify themselves later... Lmao.
i'm sorry, mgfcortez. i must have misunderstood your statements from before. however, you are in agreement with myself and master_g. Jesus Christ is the only way for salvation and entrance to Heaven. even though your method may be different, it doesn't change the underlining doctrine of Christianity. in all conversation and debates on Christianity it will eventually to this theology. so, you can hide and dodge and try to skip around this issue. however, if a non-believer is persistent enough, you will also make the statement that Jesus Christ is the only way for salvation. therefore, offending those non-believers that doesn't believe this.
These last two posts just confirmed my previous conclusion on these two: 1) They never admit they are in the wrong, BUT they do apologize to Christians. 2) They (more MG than apollon here) don't bother reading up on others' beliefs, but expect us to take Bible lessons with them. ___________________________________________________________
wtf is this? what? i apologize to you before when i was wrong, but you don't accept it. wtf are you talking about? I NEVER admit I am wrong. << what??
Lol, i view Christianity as a hated evil religion? Wow... Now I AM offended, you putting words in my mouth. Then again, I don't expect you to apologize.
and u wasnt before? lol you seem to be looking for a fight, ur wasting your time here, taking flak and not returning it for the most part is our speciality
i'm not even saying you can't say Jesus Christ is the only way for salvation and entrance to Heaven. but you got to let ppl know this is what you believe and they don't have to believe it right from the door! and if you jump in there face and say your going to hell!!! they going to hate you and God. so let them learn at there own speed is all i'm saying.
lol. i think you misunderstood me. i try my very best not to bring up hell in my discussion, unless it is required from other person's question.
Originally Posted by apollon there isn't really anything to discuss. she is stubborn as a mule, and choose to view Christianity as a hated evil religion. unforunately, i've come to accept that another Christian will hopefully lead her to Christ, but it won't be me. see thats what i'm talking about,you got to say she stubborn as a mule. then you say she's thinking Christianity as a hated evil religion. when you making up shit about her,why you got to do that? she talk's to me about Christianity all the time,she don't say nothing bad around me. so why does she get pissed at you two because your not saying it's your believe you pushing it in her face. saying be a Christian or got to hell.lol and i not even going to get into you not saying your sorry,why would you say your sorry you think it fine to stomp all over her believe's.lol tell her she's going to hell and shit. this is crazy.lol why am i even posting this.lol it not like you going to say hay he's right,i have been trash her believe's.LMFAO i think babyrain said it best. They (more MG than apollon here) don't bother reading up on others' beliefs, but expect us to take Bible lessons with them. and i bet everyone else see it that way too. i know i do-nono
Generally accepted does not mean real or even truthful. OMG, this logic is FLAWED. Even if Jesus Christ is real, had lived and walked the Earth (which so far we have no way to PROVE besides the Bible), it doesn't mean he is necessary the son of God (or even the personification of God, whatever you say). I grant you that if Jesus Christ walked the Earth, his teachings (if they exist) is real and really happened. But then the Bible wasn't written BY Jesus Christ, what part of his existence WARRANT Bible's truthfulness?? It can still be a work of fiction based on someone who lived (have you not follow the latest trend of historic fiction where FICITONAL STORIES are fitted into lives of famous personas in history?) And for the questionable authority of the Bible, Christianity is as real as saying "Hitler love the Jews and Homosexuals so he send them to heaven right away instead of having them suffering a hard life" The number is indeed VERY impressive. However, does that mean Hercules and other Greek gods are real as well. WOW they surely did a lot of unbelievible thing that is up to par (if not surpasses) the league of "miracles" done by Jesus. Thoughts? The number is MEANINGLESS unless one can PROVE (again, without the Bible, because of its questionable authority) that yes, Jesus Christ DID exist, and yes, Jesus Christ DID do every single one of the miracles (or amazing deeds) mentioned in the Bible. Otherwise, it's just a very long number with little meaning. I think I can steal that "divinely gifted, hence God" line for the next donation drive for my local "gifted school" I am sure they'll love it. You sure they wrote the incident down and attribute to Jesus Christ BECAUSE it's Jesus Christ? They KNOW he's the son of John (or whoever he may be)? Or is it even remotely possible that it's a bunch of different travelling vegabonds who scam people? Because the title "God's son" warrant respect and forbids question. If one has accomplice(s) to spread the word "he's the Son of God and he can perform miracles", whatever trickery or "magic" said person do will be gobbled up by the public as God's miracle. But life's a lot tougher nowadays... It takes more than just a rumour to make something appear true.
I am not dismissing it, just wanting to have cross-referenced evidence BESIDES the Bible, even IF (a huge IF) I do take the Bible as EVIDENCE (very shaky one at that), do you not require more than one source to verify your "facts"? It is yet again the tautology, Jesus Christ is divine (Godly) because it's written so in the Bible, Bible is totally true because it's a collection of God (who walked the Earth as Jesus Christ)'s words. From what I know, the sinful aspect of Jesus Christ's life could totally have been just censored instead of not existing in the first place. If I edited it correctly, I am sure I can create a sinless character out of Grandhi. Does that make him a God? Or God's son? master_g started a thread on "what does it take for you to believe in God" (or something along that line, not exact words) And in fact, pretty much nothing can do that for me. That little voice talking to me in my head? Some call that "voice of God", however, I just call that my conscience or a personification of my alter-ego. The Bible is another shaky thing to touch on. Questionable authority and autheticity, how can one PROVE that it's more than a collection of fables like Grimm's? Just because there's a consistent protagonist called Jesus Christ who CLAIMS to be son of God does not make it any more divine. And since time-travelling has yet to be achieved, it is unlikely that Christianity can be PROVEN rationally.
Not only is THAT your (plural) speciality, also ignoring other's posts. Yes, I DID notice that. They are SO holy and RIGHTEOUS is't just impossible that they CAN be wrong, wasn't that delusional? Well, they are too occupied with defending their own flawed logic to have time to read up on anything, or so I heard.
And that completes my conclusion of those two... Like Ribby said, we are like personal stereo. You can't listen to one without the other.. LOL. Thank you -hug And thank you, mgfcortez. Because I believed that was a really really terrible accusation directed at me, which wasn't true in the first place. What lies. And I thought Christians are not supposed to lie??? Thank you for standing up for me as a Christian, because it shows that I am indeed, not as irrational as Apollon made me out to be. I get Apollon's ideas now. You MUST agree with him, and accept all his teachings, otherwise, you get labelled as 'stubborn as a mule' and get accused to be a hater. WOW. So if this is NOT oppresion, i don't know what is then... Lol. So in other words, in Apollon's head, his so-called 'DISCUSSIONS' are ways to get you to convert to Christianity. If you don't agree to convert, then there's NOTHING to discuss... I see. So all this while you were indeed trying to shove your beliefs on me? Why is that unfortunate? I am very much happy and comfortable with where I am, thank you very much. Because unlike you, I comprehend my Buddhism teachings and beliefs at least half of what you understand of ur own religion, and I have 100% faith in my own beliefs. So why should it be unfortunate? On the other hand, it would be unfortunate for me indeed if you managed to BRAINWASH me!
The goal of that is more to achieve world peace and stop all this fascist authoritarian direction that we are headed well for me anyways(i live in America). SO i guess growing culturally and furthering civilization, what we would all get out of it, is less intolerance, and more tolerance of everyone in the perspective that we live on the same rock.
haha. i do too. ohh. i guess i asked that question because i was initially indignant when you said "who cares if the Bible actually exists or not?" <-- or something to that effect, sorry, i know it's not an accurate quote. but i see you have good intentions
