oh thats fantastic! all of those points are the same points that i am high skeptical about. all those points were NOT based on the Bible. NOWHERE in the Bible does it explain ANY of these. i have read it, and i have christian friends as well. you just made me lose trust in your information.
ill just choose a random one. say... the last one. "all non-believers are to be punished" apollon said that it is true. i would like to see a quote from the Bible that states that: "ALL NON-BELIEVERS ARE TO BE PUNISHED".
rite, i believe that originally these animals, like us, have the ability to be whether carnivorous or herbivorous with their diets. however, after the fall of man ... some were forced by other, enivornimental reason, and other reaons, to become purely carnivorous and other were not. by the way, excellent questions ... i have would never thought these myself. -clapclap with the statement of God helping along .. was meant to explain one other possibiity, that i thought up. however, in retrospective view ... it supports the ideals of an evolutionary development. which wasn't my original intent. for dann -- God created the universe and us. All was good for we were in'sync with God Then Man (generalize term for humans) commited a sin -- that lead Sin to enter the world. After that, God was separated from Man, physically and spiritually. Man tries his best to get back his relationship with God. ie. animal sacrifices and other rituals. However, nothing worked. Therefore, God removes this obstacle Himself. He defeats Sin by dying and then rising from the dead. That gives us the chance to do the same through the believing in Christ. However, our physical self is still separated from God. Now, that comes to the Book of Revelation. And in the end times, we will be given a new body and with this new body - we will finally being fully connected with God. i tried my best to explain it - any questions?
I am glad that you brought that up. Because as an agonist, I don't not refute the possible existence of higher being. Yet I remain skeptical towards the God Christianity described Him to be. In fact, faith is not quite needed to understand science theories and ideals, hard work is (needed). Because even though E=MC^2 does look mystical in how mass and speed of light are related to energy (which is like a grade 2 level of explanation), if you go to higher physics it gives PERFECTLY logical proof of how this equation is true mathetmatically and logically. I always wonder why religion ALWAYS dish out a reason for the so-called creation or existence of man. Because IMO, it's survival of the fittest through and through, humans as a species slowly grow from a bunch of random inorganic molecules to be proteins, and simple organisms and in turn higher animals and lastly humans.
Theories arn't presented as fact. Which is more than I can say about the way you and other devoted christians present your faith. Welcome to christianity, please leave your logics and science at the door. The word of the bible (or word of God, rather) is all the evidence you will need. Correction: I was wrong about the flat earth thing.
Okay, but that still leaves us with the questions of where did the pre-banishment herbivores (which later turned into carnivores) ended up when they died in the process of the hypothetical evolution. Because evolution takes a very long time, several hundreds of generations for such drastic physical change. Where did all the carcass of those pre-carnivorous herbivores ended up? I am not dann, but I have some question in regards to the order of events and how exactly they happened. Is the personification of Sin a literary device or something else? I don't understand how Sin can be defeated by Jesus's death and resurrection. -huh
well said. like pepsi said, you only have the Bible as evidence. have you got ANY OTHER PROOFS other than the Bible? basically, with ONLY using the Bible, you are deducting theories FROM YOUR interpretation of the Bible. these are THEORIES. UNPROVEN HYPOTHESIS AND OPINION. you both are in college right? or graduated from college right? in college, in ANY college, they teach you in essay writing to have a claim (which you do have) and CONCRETE EVIDENCE, evidence that can support, not controversial evidence, which is what your evidence from the Bible is.
Anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Rev. 20:15) All human beings have a sinful nature that will condemn them to hell (Rom. 3:23, Rom. 6:23) The scripture tells us that God sent Jesus into the world to take our sins upon Himself, as our substitute (2 Pet 2:24). He bore our sins, and died in our place -- so that all who would believe in Him and His sacrificial work would be saved. “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). At the moment that we sincerely repent of our sins, and place our faith in Christ to live for Him, our name is written in Heaven (Luke 10:20) Everyone has sinned, and no one is good enough to get to heaven on their own (Romans 3:23) We can do nothing good to earn our way to heaven (Titus 3:5). You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way" (Matthew 7:13) Jesus is the only way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty (Romans 6:23) you MUST remember, a Christian speaks from the word of God, you must accept that.
Happy you posted that because past christians seem to see otherwise. "In this painting found on a wood drawer from furniture kept at the Earls D'Oltremond, in Belgium, Moses is depicted receiving the tablets of the Ten Commandments, with "flaming horns." Several equally flaming objects are in the sky before him. The date and artist are unknown. " "A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus - Fitzwilliam Musuem, Cambridge, England - Painted in 1710 by Flemish artist Aert De Gelder. It depicts a classic, hovering, silvery, saucer shaped UFO shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus. What could have inspired the artist to combine these two subjects? " "17th century fresco of the crucifiction - Svetishoveli Cathedral in Mtskheta, Georgia. Note the two saucer shaped craft on either side of Christ. " "Frescos throughout Europe which reveal the appearance of space ships in the skies including this painting of 'The Crucifixion' - painted in 1350. It seems to depict a small human looking man looking over his shoulder - at another UFO as if in pursuit - as he flies across the sky in what is clearly a space ship. The leading craft is decorated with two twinkling stars, one reminiscent of national insignia on modern aircraft. This paintng hangs above the altar at the Visoki Decani Monestary in Kosovo, Yugoslavia. "
the guy who painted the picture was not there when Jesus died to see what was in the sky. the guy never saw Jesus so i dont know how he can draw him either. i could draw picture with flying cows in the sky..... it would be no different to them pics above.
... like i said. these are YOUR OWN interpretation of the quotes. i bet you if i call up other people, they would think otherwise. i accept that alright, but i do not accept any christians who twists the word of God.
the only relevance i see is the painters' INTERPRETATION of that, which is EXACTLY like YOUR interpretation of the Bible. you werent there when Jesus died, how would you know its true?
ARRR ... you guys and gals type soooo fast. lol. the reason why a theory is called a theory is because isn't a fact. it has not been proven or disproven to be real. a fact - a conjection that been proven over time to physically possible. mathematic at its origin is proven possible, it is fact, but as a pure mathematic student - the higher octave of mathematics is based on the proven facts of its lower octave. even though, there is a good chance that its results are authentic. there is still a percentage of error that it could be wrong. therefore, theories takes the element of faith and believing through reasoning and conjucture that it should be correct. take Einstein's soup bubble theory - he was able to mathematically prove the existence of his theory to some extent of his own reasoning and analysis. however, in the end it was wrong and discard in today's theortical physics' world. theories has the possible of being wrong ... facts do not. therefore, if something as the possible of being wrong - would faith play a role in hoping that the theory is correct?
@master_g: well, I take that some of the quotes are more legitimate than others, but since I didn't ask for the quote, okay, thanks. -^_^ However, as the autheticity of Bible is STILL under debate, using the Bible as the SOLE source of your information is treading on a VERY slippery slope. But I guess we will have to compromise and agree to disagree as I will just keep on questioning how can one know the Bible is authetic -> Because I can feel God communicating with me -> How can you be certain that your God is the ONLY righteous God and not someone else's they said they've experienced God with their very own body too -> I just know because there's no way my experience with God can be inaccurate or mistaken... etc etc. @apollon: Well, I don't think I believe in science because of faith. I believe in science because I cannot think of an alternative reason by which happenings of the world can be explained logically. That being said, while I am not refuting science can do no wrong, the validity of science does in fact passes the rites of time, being tested again and again by new findings and discoveries everyday. And sure, while theories with substantial OBJECTIVE evidence to support it CAN be wrong, it can also be right (which is the case most of the time), on the other hand, theories WITHOUT substantial objective evidence to support it but abundant evidences to disprove and/or refute it is WAY more likely to be wrong. Is it not?
lol ok dann i can see the "non believers in hell" has upset you even though you asked me the question but try this.... YOU interpret those scriptures i gave you, or are they completely fake too IYO
can the events in the Bible be facts? do they have bibliographical reference to sustain its authenticity? if not, they are just as well theories. or even, since the Bible was only printed in the Guhtenberg era, they were previously handed down, victims of hearsay, and exaggeration. the origins of the Bible WERE handed down orally, just like any other culture. and we all know anything passed orally will be drastically changed. just use the simple game "pass it on" for example.
