LOL? be my guest. You can't even come up with a proper valid argument. My post wasn't an insult. It's valid point.
i think it would be best if we sort somethings out... RELIGIOUS Events occurred in religious writings, such as buddhism writings, the Bible, and whatever writings, scriptures and stuff from other religions.. so for example... "Buddha did this, Buddha did that" or "Jesus did this or Jesus did that" you werent there to witness it, so there are no proofs of the action.. its called circumstantial evidence... (may not be used to explain) (note i did not say teachings.. teachings are legit..) SCIENTIFIC for example, the rainbow example hiake said.. thats a good example... explanation... like for example, a wheel is round, it can roll. a box is square, it can slide. (pathetic examples, but they are true, as we have proven it.)
yes, i completely agree that religion bridges the gap where science cannot answer. BUT, it does not mean religion can be used in lieu of science... religion is basically unproven theories in scientific terms... so if its unproven, we dont know if it is true or not.. agreed?
What is belief, dann? when one believe something they assume that it is TRUE. that is the whole of believing. therefore, it is justified for Christian to believe that God created to the universe and etc. lol. i don't even know what this conversation is about anymore?
Well, now we are just venturing into the realm of unknown. For all I know (or care), there's no way to prove or disprove the existence of afterlife and numerous other aspect of religion where it claims to "bridges the gap science cannot answer". And in fact, the specific gaps you mentioned ARE accounted for by Science, as they don't have a God per se. what happens after death? One simply cease to exist after death. is there a God? Why is the question here in the first place, Science is the attempt to explain the world without supernatural voodoos. how are we created? A series of accumulated coincidence. From the "weather" of the Earth to the existence of any living organisms, big and small... I think the creationist view of life is just anthoropocentric. I don't see human any more special than other animal besides the fact that we may have advanced and evolved differently.
master_g, b-rain... lets not throw insults at each other.... master_g... please consider the fact that as non-christians, we try to be as open-minded as possible.. so please do the same.. b-rain... please try to refrain from "poking" master_g...
Dann, that wasn't a FREAKING INSULT for God's sake. It's a POINT. I mean he was indeed being a HYPOCRITE by saying PUT ASIDE RELIGION then in the next line.. IF U WANNA GAMBLE UR ETENAL LIFE that's fine.. Dann please think carefully before accusing someone of insulting BAH
I think I just found the heart of the argument. What coincidence! Well, my interpretation of this would be "religion = speculation". However, as speculation they are terribly outdated as they refuse change despite the flow of time... Science GROW because it learns from past mistakes, religion remain very medieval because it refuse to grow up and face the fact that "no, there are things that doesn't make sense in religion" But I guess sense (common or uncommon alike) is not at a place of high priority in religion...
for me the big bang makes no sense, and monkey - human thing makes no sense and the way the universe operates, imo its impossible for that to happen on its own. and then we have dark matter.... leave babyrain alone lol, let her say what she wants
complete agreement on that. BUT, there is a minor addition id like to add... those beliefs only explain to the Christian what science cannot show, not non-believers.. right? science tends to answer many things that the majority of the human population, with mix religions believe in.. agreed? yes, within humanistic capability... after all... thats what we are right? lol but with our humanistic capabilities, none of us can understand the explanations of the universe or religion, or God. agreed?
but what part of religion doesn't make sense? (if you point your finger at Christianity, i'm okay with that ... give me some example)
for Christians we get our understanding from the bible, i believe the bible is at a level of human understanding and there is infinite things we will learn in the eternity which is not in the bible because it is beyond human reasoning.
I guess sense is too subjective to be used in this discussion. One way or another there will be those who think I am insane to believe that human come from a single cell organism and possibly just one single molecule. And I would say the same to the humanoid deity called God. Patriachy sucks beyond EVERY belief.
can i ask that? the idea of God.. altho i have a God in my religion, im putting it aside for the sake of argument... can you explain the existence of God, and his creation of the universe?
The part where humans are created? God is compassionate and all loving yet his love is conditional? The part where Jesus is God? And where did God come from? And I would greatly appreciate it if the whole "God works in mysterious ways" or "God is beyond comprehension" DO NOT come up.
