Upgrading my PC

waaaaa £2k *fainting.....*

lol

 

@ dimsum: What brand is that PSU? Please tell me it's not a generic brand. Also, that's a rubbish aftermarket cooler. You should get the Tuniq Tower 120 or something of that nature.

 

- Slow memory, why not 1333 instead of 1066?
- 64bit vista ... omg have fun with it....
- 1TB Harddisk, never buy a a Harddisk with that size. If it fails, u will loose 1TB of of data
- 800W PSU? Brand? If its a noname, it´s probably a 450 - 500W ^^
- as contradictions mentioned b4, crappy cooler, get a Xigmatek Tower Cooler
- What is that cheap TFT ?

 

PSU they use are usually FSP group ones, so generic-ish but reliable. Yeh the aftermarket cooler is crap but its the only one they offer and for anyone not over clocking, it should be fine, they wouldnt put on a product that cant cope, cause it will just cost them money in returns and repair jobs

64bit vista is needed to handle the 4gb of memory, otherwise forget anything larger then 3gb (or was it 2gb) http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000811.html

1tb hard disk cause i was simply matching the specs from the cube. You can get a 150Gb raptor as a primary and then some like a 500gb as a secondary, plus the case will fit many more

just be some generic brand as usual, i managed to get a samsung one for my pc, but its like with any other PC vendor, you just get a generic brand that does the job.
Id probably buy my own screen from dell or something, but again i was just matching the specs of the cube company

probably cost about £4K from a company like dell...

 

^ Dude....FSP is one of the most well known brands of PSUs out in the market today. They're known for their excellent power supplies and can only be compared to brands like PCP&C.

The reason I ask is because it pains me to see people go cheap on the power supply. Which is extremely dangerous especially if you're running a high end machine. Poorly build power supplies run a higher risk of poor grounding which will short out your computer.

A word to the wise, if you're planning on building a good computer, spend a little more on a brand name power supply. If, in the rare event that the power supply does cause your computer to short out, the company will pay to have your system rebuilt.

 

^I would say that FSP are more known for their OEM supplies that you find in pre-built comps, not as big branded as the likes of PCP&P, Antec, Seasonic, etc

but yeh they are really reliable

 

guys.. i have a fat ass laptop thats basically a desktop.

the asus eeepc .... who here thinks its worth the money?

i dont know whether to get it or not..

 

@dim8sum

I agree, when doing simple tasks like surfing the web and tiny resource consuming programs like that the dual and quads perform the same. Heck, any processor around an 5 year time frame will perform the same. That's not why the duals and the quads were invented. They were invented to give the user more speed and power when using resource hogging programs. How do you test that? By putting the cpu's under stress and seeing how fast they process data. And under heavy load the quads are 2x faster.

Even the simplest task of burning or converting a movie can be faster with a quad compared to a dual core. There's a video of the comparison on youtube. Quads are two times faster when doing strenuous resource hogging tasks.

The reason why mutithreaded games benefit from quads is cause they tell the cpu to evenly devide the resourse consumption over all four cores from the very start instead of the chip allocating the resource itself which would be uneven and most likey result in the game not utilizing all four cores and the result would be the game not performing as fast as it would with the even allocation of the resource consumption.

If I recall correctly I believe I was replying to your opinion on what "future proof" means.

If he doesn't mind his cpu bottle necking his 8800gt when playing graphics intensive games. To each his own.



@Crystal84

Here's the video that proves it. (below)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rP1gw3z1_hc

Around 2x faster.

Here's another comparison that shows a 70 percent increase of speed.
http://blogs.vmware.com/performance/2007/07/comparing-intel.html

 

if you need a mobile latop just for surfing web and light office work, then yeh its pretty decent. But you have to remember it runs linux, so you may not be able to put all those lovely programs that exists on windows, onto it

Unless the program takes advantage of multi-core, then it wont perform better.

I will give you an example, i run winavi encoding on my single core at home, CPU usage stays at 100% just for this one program, it takes roughly one hour. Now whilst winavi is running nothing else can run on this comp

Now I'll take my dual core comp and run the same program encoding the same videos, now winavi doesnt do multi-threading (of what im aware), now my cpu usage is 50% (each core is loaded at 50%). As long as my single core is clock for clock and architecturally the same, they should both complete roughly at the same time.
However on my dual core, i am able to do other things, like surf the net, play music, etc, whilst encoding, however on a single core this is not possible

I say that from experience too

I also give you 2 examples, both do not take advantage of mutli-threading and as you can see, the quads achieve no significant over the duals





ok he may get some bottlenecking from the CPU, but for the games he plays, i doubt it, if he were to run Crysis, he may have problems. But OP said he wants to run PES2008 and TF2
I can still play a medium-high 1280x1024 for Call of Duty 4 on my 7800GT 4400X2, so.... unless hes planing to game on a 31" monster screen at 2560x1600 resolution, i highly doubt he will run into problems with a 4200x2 with an 8800GT

 

wow wth is all this statistics lol

i dont even know whats goin on here lol

 

Yes, I know that. I know that one can multitask better on a dual core as opposed to a single core. That's what giving the user more power mean. An extra core = more power. And I've also proven in my previous post that quads are faster than duals cores in situations the quads were invented for. Plus I could easily allocate the proccess of burning or converting a file on two cores, have a couple of programs running on one core, and play a game on another core. That alone is reason enough to choose a quad over a dual for pretty much the same price. Much more multitasking flexibility. And with quads on the market more and more games and programs are going to be quad compatable.

I understand that because if his 7600gs could run TF2 on medium settings than an 8800gt that's atleast twice as fast as a 7600gs would do just fine on high settings.

That's why I said, "If he doesn't mind his cpu bottle necking his 8800gt when playing graphics intensive games."

Now as for your chart, with the Hexus Divx encoding, even though the program isn't multithreaded the quads still beat the duals and quad clocks are lower than the dual cores... (I'm assuming the CPU's they tested with were at stock speeds.)

Now in real storm or games and almost anything that includes graphics intensive processing, it's been tested and proven that when the quads and duals are overclocked (Quads still being the lower clocked of the two after overclocking) the quads in I believe it was 80% of the games they tested with considerably beat the dual cores.

I saw the benchmark last night somewhere, if I can find it I'll post it.

 

@kontradictions

Now from my knowledge of computing hardware, a price of a certain item only drops if another product comes out that's reasonably better than said product (lets say the q6600). Then it'd be logical for me to recomend the considerably better product that should only be at a slightly higher retail value.

He wanted to buy an 8800gt and I said it was a good choice. Everything else was just suggestions to further improve his system. I had already given him an answer to his question prior.

Everyone has their own preference and I agree that a custom PC should fit ones needs. That's to be expected. But if we're disregarding the "satisfaction of performance" part of building a PC than why not just go to a retailer and pick up a preassembled system? I'm sure it'd fit a persons "needs", too. Less frustration and possibly cheaper.

 

again im not doubting the cost effectiveness of the q6600, of course if i had the choice of quad and dual at the same price, its obvious what the choice would be. Earlier i was saying the OP doesnt need it, especially since it means he needs to upgrade a lot more than he originally wanted. Otherwise i do agree with you

yes the quads do perform better but not huge amounts of difference or "twice as fast"

I guess you cant go around saying quads are twice as fast just because a program is resource intensive, it totally depends on the program and other hardware factors too

otherwise we are just going in circles, so i will just say you have your points, i have mine, its all good

 

i planned to get my pc to 4 gb and 500 gb memory for hard disk.
Is too lag for my computer now. LOL

 

man... for the past 2 weeks, ive been digging for a macbook... but i know i cant get it, cuz i dont like mac.. so why do i want a macbook?!

 

Macbook are a good thing to consider if you're willing to pay for the premium, they have a nice OS (Leopard) and you can boot Windows on it (Boot Camp).

Big power supply are way overrated, actual consumption of a machine hardly ever goes over 400W, what you want is a power supply that is efficient to at least 80%. What happens is a lot of current is transformed into heat instead of being used by component when it is not efficient. I would recommend Corsair, Seasonic and Antec power supply for their efficiency and silent operation.

Q6600 is a nice to have, not necessary but either way wait until january for the new CPU to come out. P35 chipset motherboard are the best bang for the bucks at the moment. 500gb hard disk are way cheaper per gb. Any ram above 800mhz is not worth the premium for the performance increase. As for the graphic card, you should consider AMD HD 3800 series which imo the best graphic card for that price range (200$ USD).

Aftermarket cooler are to consider only if you overclock or is bothered by the noise. Personnally, I hate the sounds of computer, mine is almost silent. Then choose Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme.

 

ur forgetting also cause most people are sheep

 

PLEASE !!!!!!!! I REALLY NEED SOME ADVICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!